I am stuck on my 3 x gt. grandfather. He was born circa 1798-1800 can't find his birth entry anywhere?

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I am stuck on my 3 x gt. grandfather. He was born circa 1798-1800 can't find his birth entry anywhere?

Answer 1

UK answer.

Here in the UK civil registration didn't begin until 1st July 1837. Prior to that we had the Parish registers, that system began in 1538, these records were baptism's, marriages and burials. The baptism records only showed the date of the christening and the name of the parents, not the birth date.

Hope this helps.

If you have access to www.ancestry.co.uk you could do a search on the Pallotts baptism register, at least you will know what year he was born .

Answer 2

maybe his death certificate will have his date of birth on it as well

Answer 3

Most places did not require any birth registry in that time frame. There isn't likely to be an "entry" anywhere.  

You may get the date from a tombstone; you might find a church record, or if really lucky, a family Bible.  Be very careful if you find a date in someone's database, and be sure to ask what their source is.

SOME towns in the NE US states had town birth registers.  

Answer 4

maybe it wasn't recorded?

its not uncommon for births to be missed in those days

Answer 5

You may be able to find a baptismal record, if you know where he was born.  It will take some hunting but if you can find the church his family went to, it's possible the records would be on microfilm. You can ask your local library if they do inter loan library loans and where to find this microfilm.

The other best place I know of is to look in google books.  Go to www.google.com and up at the top use the drop down menu and select books.  Then put in his first and last name. If you get too many hits, put in the county or state.  Try different things and different spellings. It's possible someone did a search many years ago and it's in a book, not to mention there might be a book with church records, death records, etc.

Answer 6

I suggest that you try genes reunited . They have different ways of searching,,,,  not to overlook census forms and even other members family trees...

Good luck with your search. My mother's side of the family go back to the 1700's on my Genes reunited tree!

Answer 7

your looking to far back

old was 35 years of age

today its 90 years of age

if you know where he die or his church - wife is next door - marry too

where did your family come from and when did then get here

Answer 8

The best option is to try familysearch.org   select to search the IGI, they have alot of parish records on there, you can also put your tree on genesreunited, it tells you if your names match with other members, sometimes, they have info you don't have x

Answer 9

You don't say where in the world you are.  All English-speaking users can read and answer questions here, no matter whether they are reading yahoo.com, yahoo.co.uk or any other international yahoo portal.  It's a quirk of the system.  It also means that unless you bother to include your country in your question you will get some very strange answers, some of which will not be relevant.  I'm going to assume you're in the UK because that's where I am, and that's where most of my genealogy knowledge lies.  If you're in Australia or America then I'm probably doing all this typing for nothing.

Some things of course don't change.  Very few countries in the world have any official birth records that begin before the mid nineteenth century - sometimes even later.  England and Welsh records began in July 1837, Scotland didn't follow suit until 1855, and Ireland even later.  In America, different states started keeping records at different times, but again, rarely this early.  Seeing as you are outside of what we call "civil registration", you have to turn to the other great force in peoples lives besides the government, and that is the church.  The church keep very good records, which in England and Wales at least can in theory go as far back as 1538.  Some don't.  Natural disasters such as floods and fires have damaged some records, while others went missing during the commonwealth gap and civil war period covering 1649-1660.  Others still, despite recent efforts at preservation, have become to faded after several centuries to make out, even under specialist UV lamps.  The survival of such records is therefore something of a lottery, and this assumes that the family you are after weren't non-conformists or anything.  Also, some vicars were quite diligent in their record-keeping and made extra notes, while others were less obliging.  A baptism record normally wouldn't include a date of birth (traditionally this should have been within three days of birth but the rule wasn't always enforced), and a burial entry wouldn't normally include a date or cause of death unless it was otherwise unusual (a murder, accident or suicide).  The vicar usually made a note about the paternity of illegtimate children in his register, especially if there was ever likely to be any chance of a reputed father being chased through the poor laws for maintenence.  It is these records that you need to consult, but generally speaking they are not online - again it is something of a lottery as to whether you will strike lucky in a google search.

Armed with a printout of the 1851 census you should hopefully have a good idea of your ancestors claimed birthplace.  That is the church at which you should look for a baptism.  Hopefully it will be a small rural village church and quite easy to search.  Searching in large cities like London can be much harder, especially without an exact birthplace.

Hugh Wallis' website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ance... gives some indication of what records the mormons have on their IGI database at http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.... .  As you can see, it doesn't include all parishes or all years, just a mere fraction.  If you're lucky, a transcription of the record will appear there.  If you are unlucky, then it is always worth googling for the local County Family History Society and see if they have transcribed the records on CD for purchase - many of them have.  The key here though is "TRANSCRIBED" - volunteers (many of whom in the case of the Mormons aren't even English) trying to read old records and handwriting as best they can.  Mistakes do occur.  Therefore, the serious genealogist will not just rely on these transcriptions, but will go to the nearest large library or record office and view the original registers on microfilm for themselves, just to check that the entry has been transcribed correctly.  This is where problems can kick in.  You've reached the limit of what you can do on your PC, and now you find out you have to travel halfway across the country to view the original church records.  Sadly, very few people live today in the same area that their ancestors came from originally - I certainly don't - mine are spread north, south, east and west and plenty of places inbetween.

Again, the Mormons might be able to assist you if you have one of their Family History Centres near you as for a small change they can usually order in the church records for you to look at closer to home.  Again though, it means getting up from your PC screen and doing some old-fashioned legwork.

Answer 10

Have you tried www.familysearch.org--the LDS site?? If you know his name, it might be listed there. They have a new Search Pilot now where they zero in on a particular name, date, and/or location. I have found listings of people born as far back as the 900 AD (10th century) era. You want to be careful of last name spelling variations. For instance, the  world's most common surname--Smith--is listed there as Schmidt, Schmitt, Smyth, Smithe, Smit, Smed, Smidt, Schmid, Smedt, Smitt, Schmitz, and Schmied. The earliest listing I could find in Great Britain was Aaron Smith, Birth:  About 1548   Winsham, Somerset, England.

   If you had included his name, maybe one of here could find him for you.  =)

   I have traced my Mom's family name back to 1662 in England so far, but know the name was listed in the Domesday Book census in 1086, done by William the Conqueror.