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I believe referendum on EU is a MUST for UK. It is a topic bigger than PM and MPs decisions. Am I wrong?

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I see EU as a club of countries. If we all wake up tomorrow and find our separate countries with our unique different national languages disappeared, I know Germany and France will be happy.. But are we?

Irish vote is the latest No Vote which is viewed by many Europeans officials as not important now. If Irish NO VOTE is considered as a unimportant until her Leader get a YES VOTE, how important is Irish country going to be as part of a bigger SOVEREIGN State of Europe? A man or woman can force a horse to the riverside, I doubt if 10 or 20 people can force the horse to drink if the horse doesn't want to. I don't think these few people representing our countries have enough peoples' power and decisions to change our national status without us saying so. Iraq war should be the nearest marker to point fingers to the fact that our Leaders get more things wrong than right. As we know, Yugoslavia is no more, USSR has broken into pieces. National governments above EU is still the right way.

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  1. You are completely wron. Democracy in Europe? How dare you even consider it, just look at the Irish. They said NO, so now the eu says it will give them time to consider. Cosider what exactly? They will be FORCED to have another referendu, in which they will be ORDERED to reverse the democratic process. Europe doesn't give a fig about right and freedom, they only want to treat the individual as goods and chattels, to be told what to do, when to do it, how to do it and with whom.

    You will be assimilated. You will be upgraded. Resistance is futile.


  2. If the UK does not have a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, or better still on leaving the EU (in my dreams) then it proves only one thing.... Democracy in this country is truly dead. No country in it's right mind ever hands over it's sovereignty to another unless as an act of surrender during war. What country in it's right mind would let others, who have no real concept of it's culture, history and peoples, make all the decisions for said country? What it shows is that we are governed by those who are not in their right mind. Or, at the very least, those who have scant regard for the people who pay their wages, and for the country as a whole. Every last one of them should be tried as traitors in my view. .

  3. Yes, you are wrong. Frankly there are much more important issues that genuinely affect people's lives. You see the EU as a club of countries, so do I, so do all the national governments, so do senior EU politicians.

    The power of the EU is very broad, but overstated. Almost all matters of taxation, healthcare, education, law and order, foreign policy etc are all handled by national governments, not the European Union.

    This notion of single state of Europe is pure fantasy. It is a practical near-impossibility, and would never have the support of either national governments or their populations. It is only talked about by fringe Euro-sceptics, intent on scaremongering, and a handful of rabid intergrationist politicians on on the continent.

    And what on earth makes you think that France and Germany will be happy if they lost their national languages?!

  4. I agree with Willow one hundred percent, we the people have the numbers, and we should us it, that's how our Constitution and Bill of rights were made, it was built up over hundreds of years on what the people wanted, so we should DEMAND not ask, we should have a nationwide strike until we the people get exactly what we want, if we want a referendum who are they to say we can't have one? who are their employers? we can even sack them, 'dissolve parliment', and have a general election, then the next party in will know what to expect.

  5. You are wrong. The average voter only votes for personalities and are incapable of evaluating any complex issues. That's why we pay MPs so much to read and evaluate whats good and whats not - on our behalf.

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