I hate transgendered people, please convince me not to!?!?

Question

I am g*y, and I hate transgendered people. Probably because I watched a documentary about g*y people, that resulted in that we are naturally born g*y, through the amount of exposure to testosterone whilst in the womb. But I don't see how transgendered people can be natural. I like people who dress as male/female for entertainment. But in ignorant eyes, transgendered people are a stereotypical image of a g*y person. I find it sickening that transgendered people would want to change their gender. Or that a man would dress as a woman, seriously and not for entertainment. I don't want to hate, so please convince me!?!

Answer 1

You shouldn't hate us.  We're just like everyone else.  I'm female to male and pass pretty well. I've even been hit on by g*y men!

I don't know if I can convince you not to hate us, but I can tell you a little story.

I work in healthcare.  I test blood and fluid samples for people for a living.  I love what I do and wouldn't change it for the world.  It is my job to help people improve their quality of life and to figure out what diseases they may have.  When my samples come into the lab, I don't think about if they are male, female, transgendered, g*y, L*****n, a serial killer, a pedophile or whatever.  I still have to do my job, and that requires keeping an open mind and doing what I'm supposed to do.  I CAN'T be prejudice or hate anyone for who they are. I can't NOT test someone's samples if I don't like them.  People are people, and guess what? We all bleed the same.  I know, I look at blood everyday.  :\  I help people regardless of who or what they are.  And I honestly think that more people should think that way.  

*edit* to the ignoramous above me. Transgendered people WERE and still ARE revered in some native american tribes.  They were called "berdache" which means "two spirit".  Read something before you go spouting off at the mouth.

Answer 2

It's not our job to convince you not to be a bigot.

Man up and stop being an ***.

Answer 3

It's called gender identity disorder, it is medically proven and a diagnosable mental state.

Answer 4

oi im a guy i dress like a girl .. panties ... but they r comfie so i am a guy i will never be a girl but i do tend to cross dress to get a kiss from a guy .. then i take off the wig in front of him

Answer 5

Okay, I'm going to take you at your word and assume that you really DON'T want to continue hating me and those like me. Also I'm assuming that you have an open mind. I'm a MtF transsexual. I've known that I was a girl since I was extremely young, somewhere between 3-5.

There have been many many studies done now where they have proved that our condition is started within the womb when the mother releases a large amount of hormones for some unknown reason. So yes, we ARE born with this. God knows I didn't ask for this, I just wish I was born a girl in the first place.

I think one thing that you are probably doing is trying to fit us into some kind of g*y/L*****n mold. That doesn't really work for trans people. We have a "Gender identity" that is not congruent with our s*x. Now this has nothing at all to do with sexual preference, that is, who we are attracted to. I myself am a trans L*****n and I constantly have to hear "Why didn't you just stay a guy if you like girls?" The answer of course is that I would still be a boy with a girl and as I've already noted......I'm not male.

We don't do this on a lark, this is VERY serious business. We can and do get discriminated against, taunted and laughed at, threatened, assaulted, raped and murdered far more often than g*y people just for being who we are.

Why not try to really really change? You say you are g*y, why don't you head over to the GLBT center and talk to the people there. If they are remotely hip they will have some kind of gender outreach program. Talk to someone from that program, have lunch with that person, talk to that person about your prejudices. I'm sure you will find that we as the trans community have much to add to the GLBT family.

Answer 6

first off its not exactly scientifically/medically proven that homosexuality is natural either. secondly i never asked to be this way anymore than you asked to be g*y. third sometimes it bothers me that im lumped in with g*y people as a transsexual just as you dislike being lumped in with me. so we really have more in common than you realize and you as a g*y person of all people, should understand that it is wrong and hurtful to hate someone just because you don't understand them.

Answer 7

get off your high horse and stop being such an intolerant jackass. im not g*y and il admit i used to be against anyone that wasnt strictly heterosexual. The world is full of enough hate and i realized that hating people not only takes way to much energy, but its just plain stupid. you would think that you being g*y would make you at least a little more open minded to the feelings of all people. but i guess like any other group of people the g*y community has stupid a******s. They cant change the way they feel anymore than you or i could. i couldnt become g*y even if i wanted to and im sure you couldnt become straight if you wanted to. the only difference is we have it easy. im sure you can imagine waking up every day feeling like your different, like you dont belong be it with your family, friends, society or whatever. now take that pain and imagine feeling like that on the inside. like you dont belong in your own body as well as not belonging everywhere else. and thats how they feel everyday. if they can feel better about themselves with some goddamn operation who the **** do you think you are to pass judgement on them? what right do you have to say that you are so much better than they are? I think you need to get over yourself and start being a better human being. ignorant prick.

Answer 8

First of all, you're entitled to your opinion, so if you hate them, that's fine.

I would also remind you, however, that your hatred springs from ignorance and an unwillingness to learn about gender dysphoria.  Curiously, ignorance and unwillingness to learn of the g*y lifestyle is what causes many str8s to hate g**s.

You might find it "sickening" that people would want to change their gender but then you've never experienced what it's like to feel that your in the wrong body, have you? I've heard many a tale of transgendered people mutilating their own bodies because they cannot stand the mental/physical disconnect that pervades their lives. Can YOU imagine being so disgusted by your own body that you'd take a kitchen knife and try to "re-arrange" things to feel more normal?

Until you've walked a mile in their shoes--be they loafers or Manolo Blahnik's--you will have NO idea what it's like so you need to dial back your hatred. I will give you advice I normally reserve for str8 people: get to know some transgendered (pre-op and post-op) and see what their lives are like, up close, so you can feel the pain and hurt and desperation just to be themselves.

As a g*y person yourself, I find it surprising that you can't empathize with others who are going through a similar situation that you yourself probably went through when it came to being honest with yourself and declaring to the world that you're a g*y man. I assume you'd like people to accept you and respect you as you are. That's what most human beings seek: understanding and acceptance. By hating TGs without proper reason or qualification, you are no better than the zealous religious types who would condemn g**s to the fiery eternity of h**l.

There was a really good film with Felicity Huffmann called "Transamerica" which did a fairly decent job of portraying the often difficult life of a TG person. It glossed over a number of things because of time constraints (as most movies do) but it was thought provoking and might be a good point for you to start trying to understand what the life of a TG is like.

EDIT: "Has it been scientifically proven"?!? If I didn't know better, I say you were a Bible-thumping Southern Baptist who prays 14 times a day and refuses to wear mixed fiber clothing because it's condemned by the Old Testament!!! The "scientifically proven" argument is the same weak and lame argument that str8's us with g**s! If you expect people to accept your homosexuality as a naturally occuring biological variant, how and why could you deny the same argument to a TG? Why do you need incontrovertible proof that a TG is, in fact, a TG? You need to go to some TG counseling sessions so you can see how their reality of being in the wrong body can be a living h**l. Better yet save yourself some time: go to your local Target and buy some compassion. It's in the same aisle between charity and empathy...

Answer 9

I admire transgendered people. Why? Because they have experienced life as both a man and a woman, something that not many people can claim to have done. In some cultures, trans people are revered for this very reason.

Now the interesting thing is, most of us have both female and male traits, just to a greater or lesser extent. Some men are emotional, and some women are cold, or bossy, some men like to shop, some women love sports. It's just that with transgendered people, they have gone far enough to be in the wrong body, basically. They can't help it, and ultimately I believe that a persons gender is one of the least important things about them anyway.

EDIT: Before someone can undergo a s*x change operation, they need several months of psychotherapy to make sure that they really are 'in the wrong body'. So yes, they are proven to be in the wrong body.

Answer 10

You really shouldn't hate them. transsexuals are just like the rest of the LGB community. They do not have a choice and becoming the other gender is the only way they can live a happy life. Read all 3 parts of this and you will understand.

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/T...

EDIT: Actually, yes it has been proven. Studies have shown that a transsexual's brain is more like the brain of the gender that they should've been born as than their birth gender.

Answer 11

I can't convince you how to feel, that's your own way of will. But I'll explain this. Some people are naturally born transgendered, and when it comes to those who make themselves transsexual beings, that is their way of life, their choice. What exactly can you do to stop it? They are themselves, they aren't you. Whatever someone does to themselves, that's their interpretation of who they are. It's their expressive juice. Do you think they don't know they might be hated for whatever they choose? Of course they do, but that's a sacrifice they as well as we as humans are making to become not humans but just a single human, because we are all one person who does not want to just be a dud that adds to the population count.  However you feel is your choice and your business.  

Answer 12

You said: "I find it sickening that transgendered people would want to change their gender."

Well I'm straight and I have a hard time understanding g*y people, but I respect them.

Transsexual people (remember they go both ways:male-to-female and female-to-male) have been around since the dawn of time.  And yes it's been scientifically proven that we exist:

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/T...

Read that whole section on gender.

Next: I didn't change my gender.  My gender has always been female, I changed my body to match.  It's really that simple!

Do these girls look like "g*y stereotypes":

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/T...

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/T...

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/T...

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/T...

Or how about these guys:

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/T...

You need to become educated and forget about stereotypes!

A primer:

Transsexuality 101

What is a transsexual?

For simplicity, a transsexual is a person whose inner sense of gender identity and brain patterns are completely the opposite of what physical form they are born into. This is a recognized medical condition which is completely unrelated to sexuality or sexual preference at all, but unfortunately society sees only brazen g*y and bisexual people out there using gender bending to express their sexuality and assumes this is what transsexuals are too. A real transsexual has no more in common with a drag queen, g*y or bisexual person than they do with a chimpanzee! They have a deep basic incongruity between their inner identity and their physical form which can only best be expressed as something which is within their very soul. Transsexuality occurs in equal numbers across born male and born female people. Estimates are that approximately 1 in 30,000 people are born with the condition.

How does this happen?

There are many things known today through years of research, though no one single absolute cause has been quantified as of yet. It is almost universally believed that during the formation of the fetus in utero, a hormonal imbalance affects the development of the body s*x characteristics in a way that is misaligned with the core gender brain wiring. The brain "gender identity" is determined very early on in the fetal growth process, though the messages of an incorrect hormone balance sent to the developing fetus’ body, redirects the "intended" natural development to the wrong physical gender. Once born, while growing up the body’s own hormone generators then further the physical discrepancy - especially once puberty arrives. Unique chormosonal or genetic influences are also possible contributing factors that are being researched as additional contributing components to the phenomenon. It is very important to understand that no two things in nature are alike - there is no black and white bipolar scheme in life, and random types of birth development happen in all species, including transsexuality. Much more common birth development variations include  Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome ,  Klinefelter Syndrome , being  Intersexed , or  Gender Mosaic.

Transsexuality is not hereditary, and a person cannot not just "become" transsexual one day. As an extremely complex birth condition the situation is simply a variable in nature and there is nothing and no one to blame. It can actually be a very enlightening, even religious experience about the nature of the universe and humanity far beyond simple primative bi-polar sociological models. Most transsexuals are acutely aware of something feeling incorrect from a very early age but lack the ability to approach the issue. Transsexuality is not contagious, a "demon" or a cult into which someone can be enticed into - one cannot "catch" it, or turn into it...one is simply born transsexual. It occurs across all races, socioeconomic classes, religions, and childhood family upbringings, and has been documented throughout history for thousands of years...many cultures even have revered or worshipped them for having extraordinary vision and wisdom. Transsexuals are actually very good, intelligent, family loving people who are valuable, creative and productive members of society when given the opportunity to flourish without oppression.

How could someone want "that" surgery?

The person with transsexuality eventually must learn to accept their situation if they are to survive happily in self congruity, and not be rendered incapacitated by depression and other co-morbid mental health problems out of frustration and despair. They often have worked very hard at being everything they could for everyone else but no matter how hard they try, they always come up feeling empty and unfulfilled because they are still not whole. These feelings magnify over time until eventually the individual is overwhelmed in dysphoria. They may have tried to live in a role and style that is incongruous for a long, long time until it finally becomes unbearable… this can become a critical life threatening time for the transsexual. To simply try to even live in some sort of duality or "alternative lifestyle" without true physical and social alignment is to just continue the intolerable hypocrisy of a masquerade in a different form, still being something they are not. The ultimate goal is to be truthful and completely real unto themselves as their true gender identity dictates. The only real option left then becomes the social process of transitioning to their correct gender and also the medical process of hormone therapy and surgery. Physical pain and expenses become completely insignificant in comparison to the prospects of having to endure living life in a false way any longer.

The Life Experience of a Transsexual.

A person with transsexuality will almost always go through many devastating and long stages of fear, guilt, anger, shame, self loathing and emotional distress throughout their life as a result of the incongruity. They know that they will also likely face fear, hatred, prejudice, violence and rejection – sometimes even from those they may love or respect most. No one wants or chooses to have this happen to them, so as a result transsexuals typically live seriously disrupted lives tangled in deep inner emotional conflict. They must go through a very long difficult process of getting beyond their internalized conflicts and societal pressures by learning to finally accept that this is just who they are, and these are the cards they have been dealt in life. It is then that they realize they must play it out to the best of their ability to achieve congruity, for their own health and well being.

Often those with transsexuality will attempt almost anything in the world to avoid facing their fears and unavoidable situation, including super-human macho activities or careers, marriage, family, extreme creative endeavors or even turn to religion, drugs or alcohol to escape. Sooner or later though, if they have survived this far they will find that these things did not work and they must face yet another even greater battle with their transsexual "demon". The fear of facing the issue can instill an emotional paralysis that can be difficult if not impossible to shake. It is then that they must seek professional assistance to gain some kind of movement in their situation. There is an immense amount of deep inner personal work ahead for someone who reaches this point, many unfortunately, never make it. If they do, they come to realize that the "demon" was an internally fabricated myth woven out of fear of change, emotion, insecurity and social pressure - It was never even really there at all. As US President F.D.Roosevelt. put it - "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts"

The Final Freedom.

Once the transsexual person has overcome their fears, guilt and shame and accepted themselves and learned to feel self worth, happiness and inner pride, with proper guidance they will move forward through transition and on to establish new lives in the properly aligned role. The period of time can be short sometimes for very young transsexuals who can't find coping skills in life or are less affected by social "role" pressures to conform to - or it can take years, even decades to unfold. The path can be a treacherous, painful, expensive, lonely and emotional one but it can be done successfully with the highly rewarding end result of rising above the flames of their torment and dysphoria like a Phoenix from the ashes.

To just feel "normal" is something almost everyone takes for granted in life - For the person afflicted with transsexuality, it is the Holy Grail.  Once an individual passes through the processes involved, wholeness of being is achieved and the person can transcend their past medical condition and live a balanced, normal life.

Source:  http://dazzled.com/igirl/ts101.htm (link no longer active)

Answer 13

well you know, there is a difference between a transgendered person and a drag queen. read up on youre facts before you act life a hypocritical douche. i'm sure you dont like ppl who hate g**s

Answer 14

if ur dead u cannot hate any1

Answer 15

You seem to be confusing transsexuals with drag queens.  Drag queens often seek the attention of others by being outrageous and shocking and they are usually g*y men.  Transsexuals want to transition and blend into society as the gender that they really are.  In public, I might be "read" because of my height(6'2") but otherwise I don't get much notice.  You probably would never give someone like Mtfradgal a second look; she is much shorter that me.  You very likely have been in contact with transsexuals, both MTF and FTM, and never even realized it.

Please take the time to learn a little about us and stop contributing to the negative mindset.  Transsexuals have it difficult enough between the hate crimes, depression, and Bible thumpers.

Answer 16

Firs off, your'e g*y yourself. You're a part of a community that is despised in one way or another, so you already should know how it feels to be hated on some level. If you don't want to be hated, you don't hate yourself. By the fact that you're g*y, you should know that everyone is not the same. Look deeper inside of yourself, man! There are animals/creatures that change from one gender to the other. I think God did that. If it happens in the animal kingdom then is shouldn't be too much of a surprise in humanity. We have a lot of things in common with the animal kingdom. You should just treat people like you'd want to be treated. If you were transgendered, how would you want to be treated? Answer that and treat them that way. Hopefully, it's a good answer:)

Answer 17

I have absolutely nothing against Transgenderd people its just some of them scare me a little just the really really tall ones Usualy but i have made friends with one my height.