I take wing tsun, but got washed in a real fight? why?

Question

I think its because my teacher does'nt have us apply our techniques. We learn them perfectly, its just we dont put them in hard core drills like boxers or mma fighters. Theres a class for that, the elite training class, but it cost alot. Thats were I think a scam or money maker is possible here.

Answer 1

I teach Krav Maga, is every one of my students lethal...no.

As instructors it is up to us to bring out whatever we can in our students.  Does this mean I will make every student a commando, of course not.We do our best, the rest is up to the student, but we have no forms, we are a combat art.

Kung fu takes a long time to learn and even longer to learn how to become an effective CMA fighter.  If your instructor does not put you out there in tactical gear at lease twice a week he is remiss by modern standards.  Even the better CMS schools in out area ( some are over 40 years old) have their students sparring a couple of times a week on the mats, even just to demonstrate and practice techniques.

Elite training sounds like a load of hooey, every student should learn the basics of self defense.  In fact, a local friend and Sifu was loathe to have me come in to do basic hand to hand skills with his students, but decided it was a practical stop gap while they were learning this most fascinating and lethal of arts.  The learning curve of Hung Gar is also high. it takes a few years to produce a good Kung Fu fighter, it the person is to develop into a fighter at all.

I would complain to the teacher that you need an applications class, or open gym time to work on applications.  Should the Sifu fail to provide this, I would join his competitors school.  This might put some pressure on him so I would do it when all of you non-"elite" students fall in for a class.

Answer 2

Wing tsun takes years and years befores it becomes a part of your brain and reflexes...

In a fight on the street u dont have time to rest or think, just what you can - dont think about how u gonna hit him, just do it!

They say that if you have trainded WT in a year (with aprox 2 lessons / week) you can beat any dude on the street if he hasent had any martial art trainging..

Although any guy can be lucky to throw in a good punch, you should really talk with your instructor and tell him what u did and how it was.

Here in denmark we have Wing tsun but also Fight club - where we fight for real to overcome fear and such (For free) dont know how your place is..

Also do a lot of training at home (Triceps push ups and also train the chain punches and steps)

Answer 3

It depends on a lot of factors to win a fight. How good a fighter your sifu/instructor is? How well can he teach? How long you have been training? How hard have you been training? Is your class applying the technique in a serious fighting drill situation? Have you been expose to performing those techniques under pressure? And finally, it also depends on how good is your opponent.

Just learning the technique will not ensure victory.

First you need to learn the  techniques correctly , then, you need to practice them at least a 1000 times for each technique. Then, you need to put it in a 2 person drill, then, once you are able to do the 2 person drill with out thinking about it. (2nd nature). Then, use those techniques in sparring. Use new techniques to sparring  with someone with lower level of skills, then, spars those techniques with higher skills partners. You will learn and discover loop holes that you want to address. The more sparring experiences you have the better you are equip to handle a street situation. You need to increase your sparring skills level gradually.  

If you are serious about training, you need to train 3-4 hours per day. Do strength, endurance, power training in the morning and techniques training at night time.

That is why sometimes, it is better to find a great instructor to training under then, to train under a great style with a not so good instructor. One of the easy way to tell if it is a good club is to observe their students, do they produce a lot of good fighters in the club, especially the higher level guys.

It should not cost more to train in a elite training group. It should be about skills level. Example, once you reach black belt , then, you get to train in a more serious class with all the black belts, where instructors tailor the training more towards fighting.

I have been told that you can learn the whole system if you train full time in Wing chun for 3 years.

Answer 4

Where, not were.

If you're going to scheme, please use correct grammar and spelling.

Answer 5

Unfortunately, most traditional styles teach students to fight traditional fighters. When you spar, you usually spar people doing the same kicks, punches and throws as you. When traditional styles teach self-defence, they do simplistic things like get the student to throw a giant haymaker punch which can be seen a mile off. I have seen so many styles teach knife defence against an overhead stab which unless you were already dead on the floor, no-one would use against you. Realism is sadly lacking in most schools. Some instructors though do emphasis strong self-defence and this is to be applauded.

In your case, I suspect that the teacher is ruled by syllabus. Wing Chun CAN be useless in a street fight UNLESS you understand the strategy to be used. forget bong sao, fook sao etc. You need to understand the instantaneous nature of an attack. How to work a head butt, a kick to the groin, a sucker punch, a rush. You won't do that in a normal class. I'd suggest either getting a few of your fellow students together and hiring a room somewhere once a week or so and going there to practise real self-defence. Deal with 'shoots' head butts, etc. Only when you become familiar with them will you be able to deal with them.

Otherwise, switch classes and go to a JKD, Krav Maga, Muay Thai, San Shou, etc class where combat is about fighting not techniques.

Hope that helps

Answer 6

Just because you take a class on how to fight, doesn't mean you actually know how to fight properly. Anybody can throw a punch or a kick, its the way you use it in a fight. Wow, I can flip a guy in training, but in a real fight, the situation changes completely.