If Calvin's TULIP is correct, then what is the role of demons toward humanity?

Question

If all of God's chosen people are predestined to be "saved" before they were ever born, and hence the rest of humanity is preselected to be damned, and if irresistible grace (once saved, always saved) is to be believed, then what exactly do demons do?

--Why torture the "Elect" if they can never lose their salvation,

--Why torture the damned if they are going to h**l anyway,

--Why add sin to the Cross if Christ's atonement was limited and all your sins are already known and forgiven, and hence,

--Exactly what is the point of demons or temptation at all if Calvin is correct in his theology?

Here's a quick overview of Calvin's TULIP for those who don't know:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_points_of_Calvinism#Five_points_of_Calvinism

Answer 1

I am not sure if I understand all your questions but I will try to answer them.  

Firstly, perseverance of the saints is often called once saved, always saved - not irresistible grace.

Satan and his followers (i.e. demons) will do whatever they can to turn people away from God.  Also, any attacks on the elect do not only affect the elect themselves, but can deeply impact others around them, such as family and friends.  

Satan was defeated by Christ's death on the cross and his glorious resurrection.  He is very angry and since he can't take his anger out on God, he will take his anger out on God's people.  T

Satan does not care about the reprobate (those who are not saved).  he will use them anyway he can to try to bring about his purposes - i.e. turning people against God.  If this means torturing them then that is what he will do.  If it means helping them become wealthy, then that is what he will do.  

I am not quite sure I follow your third question.  Limited atonement says that Christ died only for the elect and not everyone.  This makes sense, because if Christ died for everyone, then everyone would be saved.  But we know that not everyone is saved, so Christ could not have dies for everyone.  This sounds like circular arguing but if you think about it if Christ died for those who are not going to be saved then the punishment for the reprobate would be carried out twice - once by Jesus on the cross, and once by the reprobate when they suffer eternal punishment in h**l.  So Limited Atonement says that while Christ's death on the cross was sufficient for everyone, it was only effective for the saved.

I think I have answered your final question with everything I have said above.  Whatever Satan and his demons can do to turn people away from God, or to take his anger out on others he will do.

Answer 2

“Some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons.”—1 TIMOTHY 4:1.Teachings of demons would be particularly influential in “later periods of time.“Down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth.” (Revelation 12:9)Even though Satan has been flooding the earth with teachings of demons since the time of Eden, there have always been some who searched for divine teaching.  ÃƒÂ¢Ã‚€ÂœAll your sons will be persons taught by Jehovah, and the peace of your sons will be abundant.”—Isaiah 54:13

Answer 3

tulip is true in the context of obedience to God by the power of God.....eternal security is false doctrine..........read what john wesly

taught on holiness...two works of grace with responsibilty of free will..............God bless

Answer 4

Calvin was a political tyrant who went about conquering european cities with a sword in one hand and a bible in the other.He held public beheadings and was a killjoy in the truest sense of the word.

His delusions about demons are irrelevant. He was a demon in the truest sense of the word.

His teachings run counter to all previous Church teachings, irresistable grace and predestination are juxtaposed to any idea of free will. which was a cornerstone of early Christianity.

Answer 5

I don't know if I agree that God predestined the elect, but rather that he had the knowledge of who the elect would be.  If God is all-knowing, and knows the end from the beginning, that means he would know who will be the elect (who will have faith in Christ), and who won't.  If he doesn't, he's not all-knowing.

And who tortured Job?  Satan did.  Satan had something to prove, where God didn't, he knew Job's faith would stand, but let Satan attempt to prove something contrary to what God already knew was the unchanging truth.  That's congruent with God being all-knowing, and Satan isn't.

The atonement is available for all, but only the elect's sins will be atoned.  Because the elect are who (as known from the beginning) would keep their faith in Christ.  So, the atonement is unlimited in theory, but limited in reality, since all won't accept Christ.

And don't think this good vs. evil war is limited to Christ following men vs. Satan.  God (and his Holy angels) and Satan (with God's fallen angels) have a war going on, and since the creation of man, mankind has been in the middle of this conflict.  Satan has something to prove..but God knows all.

One problem with Calvinism, though, is the tone that "Everything is predestined, God knows what he's doing, and since I'm saved, I have no reason to witness, God will touch their heart all by himself and they won't resist."  This has a sense of elitism to it (and lazyness) which I think is what draws some to Calvinism.  That's why I want to reject the "predestined" notion, but rather accept the idea predestiny is rooted in: that God is all-knowing, and knows who will be and remain faithful to God/Christ if/when he touches their heart.