If Celts in Spain are Hispanics but Celts in Ireland are Anglos, then Aztecs in USA are Anglos ...?

Question

... and Aztecs in Mexico Hispanics?

Answer 1

Just to add to your confusion, a colony of Welsh Celts colonized Argentina in the 19th century and began to intermarry with their Spanish-speaking neighbors.  As their progeny eventually got swallowed up by the majority population and stopped speaking Welsh, at what point did they stop being Celts?

Answer 2

>Celts are Celts...the rest of the "reasoning" is faulty on quite a few counts.<

Answer 3

Let's clarify some terms.

1.  Hispanic - defined by the ethnic combination of Spanish and those inhabitants of the island of Hispanola in the Carribean.

2.  Celt - pre Anglo Saxon ethnic group of the British Isles, decended from ethnic Germanic tribes.

3.  Anglo - Saxon - Combination of the Angles (pre Saxon inhabitants of the British Isles - aka Celts) and the Saxons (Invaders from Europe and Scandanavia - also Germanic)

So therefore:

Celts in Spain cannot be Hispanic.  Only people decended from the combination of Spanish and New World Indian blood can be Hispanic.  People in Spain are Spanish (nationality).  There were Celts in Spain, but they were wiped out.

The Celts in Ireland were consumed by the invasions of the Romans, Anglo-Saxons, and every invasion since.

There are people with Aztec heritage in the US - many Mexicans are decended from the Aztec and Maya peoples.  However, they are not Anglos unless they have more than 50% caucasian blood.  Even then, in our national convoluted system of racial identification, it isn't clear.

Get those terms straight!

Jay

Answer 4

No

Answer 5

This is a pretty silly question

Answer 6

Celts in Ireland and Great Britain would only be called Anglos by someone ignorant of culture or personally chauvanist against "Anglos".

The Romanized Celto-Britons were culturally displaced and assimilated, if not ethnically cleansed, by foreign invasion by Germanic peoples, the Angles Saxons and Jutes. The Romanized Celto-Britons were driven to the periphery in Cornwall and Wales (the place names, ethnic names with the sound "Wal" come from Germanic appalations to the outsiders of barbarians. This is true for the Cymru of Wales, the Roumanians of Vallachia, the Romanized Gauls of Belgium/Wallonia ( thosewho did not take up Romanized Frankish or Jutes)

The Scots and Pictes of Albion/Scotland remained largely free for a time. The same is true for the Celts of Eire.

Eventually, the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms, which themselves organized to fight off Viking invasions, were conquered by the Normans (Vikings who settled in France). Under the Plantegenants (think Edward Longshanks), Normand England conquered Wales, Scotland, and Ireland. However these areas had sufficient time to create their own ethno-cultural or nationalist identities seperated from the demographically larger English.

To call Irish Anglos is a very nasty insult.

The Celts of Iberia/Hispania were much less well defined. This area was filled with differnt people and remaisn fo civilizations having Phoenecian/Carthegian settlements like Gades/Cadiz  and Greek colonies. When the Romans invaded they largely assimilated the area by settling it with retired Roman soldiers. By the 4th century wen the Gothic Valdals invaded, Hispania was largely Roman.



Calling them Hispanic is a little false. The Celtic areas of Spain were not the source of migration to the New World. Rather it was the Vandal/Roman plains and former Moorish regions.

As for the Aztecs or descendands of Nuahatl people who have migrated back to the US, they not Anglo at all.

PS. I am a member of none of the ethnic gorups I mention above.

Answer 7

I think you're a little confused on the concept of language versus race.

Language is what someone speaks. Race is a person's ethnic background.

For instance, I speak Spanish but I'm American and Anglo (white). Speaking Spanish or even being born/living in Mexico won't make me Spanish if I still have the same parents. I'll still be white because that's what they are. It's my my ethnicity and what my ancestors were. I learned to speak Spanish through friends and school but that will never make me Hispanic. Understand?

Here's the definition of Anglo. It's a word with several meanings...

1. a white American of non-Hispanic descent, as distinguished esp. from an American of Mexican or Spanish descent.

2. (sometimes lowercase) an English-speaking person in a place where English is not the language of the majority.

3. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of Anglos.

Race-wise? Aztecs are Native Americans. They will never be considered Anglos, nor will Hispanics. Aztecs can, however, be Hispanic if one of their parents is of Spanish heritage.

Celts and Aztecs can SPEAK Spanish and still be Anglo and Native American. Speaking Spanish doesn't make them Hispanic. Even if they were born/raised in a spanish Speaking country. As long as their ancestors are Anglo or Native American they will be Anglo or Native American too.

Celts are Celts Although they can also be called Anglos (if they're white). Celts BORN in Spain are considered Spanish citizens but they are still Anglos (white) unless one or both of their parents is another race.

Just consider Anglo another word for Caucasian or white.

From The American Heritage Dictionary:

In contemporary American usage, Anglo is used primarily in direct contrast to Hispanic or Latino. In this context it is not limited to persons of English or even British descent, but can be generally applied to any non-Hispanic white person. Thus in parts of the United States with large Hispanic populations, an American of Polish, Irish, or German heritage might be termed an Anglo just as readily as a person of English descent. However, in parts of the country where the Hispanic community is smaller or nonexistent, or in areas where ethnic distinctions among European groups remain strong, Anglo has little currency as a catch-all term for non-Hispanic whites· Anglo is also used in non-Hispanic contexts. In Canada, where its usage dates at least to 1800, the distinction is between persons of English and French descent. And in American historical contexts Anglo is apt to be used more strictly to refer to persons of English heritage, as in this passage describing the politics of nation-building in pre-Revolutionary America: "The 'unity' of the American people derived ... from the ability and willingness of an Anglo elite to stamp its image on other peoples coming to this country" (Benjamin Schwarz).

The term Anglo originally comes from the Angles. The Angles were an ancient tribe in Brittany (what is now England) that eventually combined with another tribe called the Saxons. Hence, the term Anglo-Saxon.

The term "Anglo-Saxon" is from Latin writings going back to the time of King Alfred the Great, who seems to have frequently used the title rex Anglorum Saxonum or rex Angul-Saxonum.

The Old English terms ænglisc and Angelcynn ("Angle-kin", gens Anglorum) when they are first attested had already lost their original sense of referring to the Angles to the exclusion of the Saxons, and in their earliest recorded sense refers collectively to the Teutonic peoples who settled England in and after the 5th century.

The ethnic name "Angle" has had various forms and spellings, the earliest attested being Anglii, the Latinized name of a Germanic tribe mentioned in the Germania of Tacitus. It is adjectival in form. An individual of this tribe would have been called Anglius if male and Anglia if female, (the plural forms being Anglii and Angliae, respectively). The masculine is used for the generic form.

Answer 8

that's funny.

i reckon celts in spain are celts though.  and i reckon the aztecs are just aztecs too.

Answer 9

... well in this century everything is mixed.

Answer 10

Celts in Ireland aren't Anglos.  And neither are Aztecs in the USA.  The term "Anglo" comes from "Angle", a Germanic tribe that settled England before Rome took over the British Isles.  Hence the term Anglo-Saxon to describe someone of English descent (the Saxons were another tribe that invaded and conquered England as Rome withdrew from the island).  The Celts were a different tribe that settled in Ireland, Spain, and other areas of Europe.  Celtics in Ireland are known as Celts.  

Hispanic is an ethnic term meaning someone who comes from a Spanish-speaking nation.  Someone can be both Celtic and Hispanic.  Aztec is a native American tribe.  So someone can be a Hispanic Native American of the Aztec tribe, which is what Aztecs are.

Answer 11

huh? the celtics in spain spoke an indo-european language called celtiberian. the aztecs in the usa, if there are any speak spanish and are not anglos(whatever you mean by this.) the aztecs spoke and still speak the nahuatl language.

Answer 12

Celts in Ireland are not 'Anglos'. There are simply decendants of Celts and a much smaller proportion who are decendants of the Anglo-Saxons who came to Ireland during the Plantations. In fact genetic studies have shown that the Irish have most in common with the people of north west Spain.

Answer 13

You got it all wrong.

Spanish and the Irish have a related ancestry because they are both descended from Celts. But the Aztecs are Native Americans, no matter what language they speak.

Answer 14

de qué estás hablando?

los aztecas son indígenas mexicanos y supongo que los que nacen en España son hispanos pero como los aztecas son nativos americanos (americano: aquél que nace en el continente americano, no en los Estados Unidos) entonces no son hispanos sino latinoamericanos o más específicamente son indígenas mexicanos

Answer 15

Celts are from Scotland, and Ireland. Aztecs are and indian tribe from Mexico.

Answer 16

Celts are Celts, Anglos are Anglos, and Aztecs are Aztecs.

Everyone is mixed together nowadays and all of these empires and tribes have fallen, but if someone in Ireland or Spain or the US wants to identify as Celtic even though they may have at least Viking if not plenty of other mixed blood, then fine for them.  The same goes for "Anglos" despite them mixing with Celts, Vikings, Jutes, Saxons, Picts, Normans, Romans, etc. and for "Aztecs" despite them mixing with Tepanecs, Acolhuas, Tlaxcala, Spaniards, etc.

Ethnic identity is whatever one wishes it to be these days, though I don't suppose I (Irish/German ancestors) could really claim !Kung ethnicity, so within reason most people have plenty to choose from, and from the designations you bring up I doubt any have been isolated from the rest of the world enough to have a single individual "pureblood" of their ranks.

Answer 17

I think thats correct

Answer 18

your crazy

Answer 19

"....Aztecs in USA are...?"

Probably in prison . That human sacrifice thing tends to rub people the wrong way. ;D

Seriously, not sure of what you are asking ? You're comparing different things . "Hispanic " is a linguistic designation . "Aztec" & "Celtic" are ethnic.

Answer 20

You're making apples-and-orange syllogisms.

Birds have feathers.  

Birds Fly

Airplanes fly.

Therefore airplanes  have feathers.

However, your question elicited some outstanding responses, so good on ya!

Answer 21

Celts in Europe are Celts, Aztecs are not Hispanic at all, but Indians. All of Mexico, Central & South American were Indian until the Spanish arrived,but the Celtic culture had long since left Spain before they came to the new world.

Answer 22

Yes, Mexicans that can speak English are as much of an Anglo as I am.  It is such an ignorant term that it makes me angry when someone calls me Anglo.  It would be as stupid as calling all Mexicans Aztecs.

Answer 23

Mexico Joe Bal-a-soo-toe have talking dumb.

Answer 24

I think you will find in Scotland and Ireland and Wales they spoke gaelic although each country had its own dialect.

It was only as the English got more dominant and banned anything that didn't fit or because us English have never been very quick to speak other languages so we made them speak ours, but I'm glad to say people are being encouraged to speak Gaelic now.

Judging by this  they were the first bottle blonds

Who were the Celts?

The Celts were a group of peoples that occupied lands stretching from the British Isles to Gallatia. The Celts had many dealings with other cultures that bordered the lands occupied by these peoples, and even though there is no written record of the Celts stemming from their own documents, we can piece together a fair picture of them from archeological evidence as well as historical accounts from other cultures. ......

Their aspect is terrifying...They are very tall in stature, with ripling muscles under clear white skin. Their hair is blond, but not naturally so: they bleach it, to this day, artificially, washing it in lime and combing it back from their foreheaads. They look like wood-demons, their hair thick and shaggy like a horse's mane. Some of them are cleanshaven, but others - especially those of high rank, shave their cheeks but leave a moustache that covers the whole mouth and, when they eat and drink, acts like a sieve, trapping particles of food...The way they dress is astonishing: they wear brightly coloured and embroidered shirts, with trousers called bracae and cloaks fastened at the shoulder with a brooch, heavy in winter, light in summer. These cloaks are striped or checkered in design, with the seperate checks close together and in various colours.

[The Celts] wear bronze helmets with figures picked out on them, even horns, which made them look even taller than they already are...while others cover themselves with breast-armour made out of chains. But most content themselves with the weapons nature gave them: they go naked into battle...Weird, discordant horns were sounded, [they shouted in chorus with their] deep and harsh voices, they beat their swords rythmically against their shields.

Diodorus also describes how the Celts cut off their enemies' heads and nailed them over the doors of their huts, as Diodorus states:

In exactly the same way as hunters do with their skulls of the animals they have slain...they preserved the heads of their most high-ranking victims in cedar oil, keeping them carefully in wooden boxes.

Answer 25

THE AZTECS NEVER WENT TO THE USA, THEY LIVED AT TEXCOCO LAKE, WHAT IS NOW MEXICO CITY.

Answer 26

all Aztecs in the Americas are hispanics according to the US definition because of their historic backgrounds