If Managers argue with a refferee what do they expect to happen?Baseball?

Question

You see in baseball managers go out and talk to the ref and argue with them sometimes, but truely does any of the time they talk together determine parts of the game?

Answer 1

First of all, in baseball the "ref" is called an Umpire!

It usually does!  Most of the time the managers argue with the Umpire is about a GAME CHANGING play or hit!

They need to make sure the call is right, so, they check with the umpire!

Usually the umpires don't change the call but the managers have a better chance of changing the call if they talk with the umpire then if they don't!

Great Question!

Answer 2

As everyone else said...it's umpires in baseball.

The umpire will almost never change the call that is being argued. But that is seldom the reason the manager goes out to argue.

Reasons the manager might go out to argue:

1. He has to defend and protect his players, it's better the manager be ejected than the player.

2. He may feel the umps have made a couple of calls that have gone against his team, and he want to pressure the umps into having the next close call go his way

3. His team is playing poorly and he wants to do something to shake them up

4. He has a personality conflict with the umpire and it is part of an ongoing feud

5. He needs more time for a pitcher to finish warming up

6. He knows the fans look forward to his irrational outbursts and revels in the spectacle of it all. This one applies to managers (Earl Weaver) and umpires (Ken Kaiser)

Sometimes the manager's outburst will work...sometimes not.

Answer 3

Sometimes a manager will argue a call because he is convinced the umpire got it wrong.  Umpires rarely reverse their decisions, though it does happen, usually after a group consultation by two or more of the umpiring crew, and is because of a point the manager argued.

Most often, though, managers argue either to step in and save an angry player from being thrown out of the game, or to inspire or 'light a fire' under his team that is behind at the time.  Indirectly, arguing a call and being ejected has changed the outcome of many, many baseball games, while having zero effect on the disputed play.

Rarely does an official protest of the game by the manager, another option he has, result in a changed call, and when the protest is upheld, the game is replayed, at a later date, from the point of the incident, and the previous final outcome of that game is erased.

Probably the most famous example was the George Brett 'pine tar' incident, which, by the way, happened exactly 25 years ago tomorrow, July 24, 1983..  Brett was ejected for using a bat with an illegal amount of pine tar on the handle, and his home run was erased, which would have given  Brett's Kansas City Royals a 5-4 lead with two out in the top of the ninth, but instead ended the game with a 4-3 loss to the NY Yankees.

KC manager d**k Howser protested the game, and his appeal was upheld.  The ruling was, that while the bat was illegal, the rule under which Yankee manager Billy Martin had requested the umpires to take action  after bringing the bat to their attention (he had suspected it but waited until a good time, and a game-losing home run is a good time), called only for the bat itself to be removed from the game, but that the home run stood.  Brett was still ejected, for his furious outburst (charging, screaming, out of the dugout at the umpire, and restrained, and near the top of many sports highlight reel lists.)   The game was resumed 25 days later with KC ahead 5-4 with two out in the ninth, and after some more hijinks by Billy Martin, who claimed that Brett was out  and his home run did not count because he didn't touch all the bases, and since it was a different umpire crew that day, there was no way to prove that Brett had.  But the crew chief had prepared for this and gotten a a signed affidavit from all four umpires of that first game, stating that Brett had touched all four bases.  Martin got tossed for arguing, and the Royals held the Yanks scoreless in the bottom of the ninth to win the game.

Answer 4

If a manager argues a legitament case, and the call was arguably wrong, it is right decision to go out and argue.  First of all, if it is clearly a wrong call, the umpire will start to second guess himself.  And second of all, if the manager is kind of good at arguing, it may alter they ump's calls in the future, benefitting the team who's coach argued.

Answer 5

It's an umpire in baseball, not a referee.

There are essentially four reasons a manager argues with an umpire:

1) he's hoping the call will be overturned (it does happen occasionally)

2) He wants to protect his player. For instance, arguing balls and strikes is often an automatic ejection so when a player starts in on an ump, the manager will sometimes come out and take up the argument so he, not the player, is tossed from the game.

3) He's trying to influence the umpire so that the next call will go for his team instead of against it.

4) He's trying to spark his team.

Answer 6

In baseball they are called umpires

Answer 7

Nope, it's just a waste of time and a good Manager.

Seriously, it's not gonna change anybody's mind, so I don't know what the point of arguing is.