If because it's her right and choice to abort or keep a baby the responsibility should be hers by default...?

Question

Wouldn't that make the offspring only hers by default as well, regardless of other conditions? What rights would the men who want to be a part of their baby's lives have?

If she has automatic rights and responsibilities, wouldn't men be farther from their goal in parental rights?

Thanks!

Answer 1

and if a man wants a baby , then what ? (feminists :your quick to give condom advice but never consider the other possibility ) sorry gadg !

Answer 2

I am just glad that all this "choice" talk didn't exist when MY mother was pregnant. I am very thankful that she carried me, i love my mother.

BUT SHEESH,

with all this "choice" c**p its like you have to worship your mother for carrying you. Can you imagine that?  

Answer 3

I'm with you gad, i'm not a her body her choice guy. I do agree with your statement though. If i ever get a girl pregnant and she takes that road, she can kiss my a*s when it comes to child support. If i got a woman pregnant i would want her to have it anyway, but just saying.

Answer 4

You're onto something. I get a lot of c**p for stating things like this.

I think society has decided that the child's interests trump the father's interests, but that the mother's bodily integrity trump an embryo's/foetus'  interests.

I certainly agree that males should have more power to protect themselves from unwanted child support. Condoms are insufficient as are arguments that "well you shouldn't have had s*x, blah, blah..." Men need birth control options. Lots of them and effective ones.

Regarding the reverse problem, if men want to procreate then they either need to be good people and gain the good graces of a female who has the necessary equipment, or they can remain selfish losers and resort to buying access to a woman's reproductive power buy exploiting the destitute women overseas.

Most men choose the former and succeed. It is, however, the harder, more noble road to take. Some men choose the latter and they pass on deficient, lazy, selfish genes, and live and die as dependent, selfish little boys.

I don't have anything against women bearing responsibility for the finances, perhaps it would keep stupid little girls from thinking of a kid as a meal ticket. I'm all for personal responsibility, but then again, the kids of those idiotic girls don't deserve a life of suffering either.

Perhaps what would be best is if we were all temporarily sterilized before puberty, then could apply to have it reversed if we met certain basic conditions: addiction free, lack of a violent criminal record, etc. But that's far too draconian.

Anyway, you ask a great ethical question and one we will grapple with for a long time to come.

Answer 5

The choice argument does not rest on the assumption that men have no say, but on the fact that you cannot force a woman to carry a baby or to abort it.

This being said, men should always have a say and the decision should be made by both parties.

Answer 6

if a woman has 100% choice as far as abortion goes then child support should be banned.

if the choice is 50/50 then each parent should get 50/50 custody ( assuming they are seperated ) and each parent should have to pay for 50% of the childs upbringing.

50/50 is the ONLY way to go.

edit:

I am against abortion too.

had to do the morning after pill 2wice, but NEVER had and NEVER will have an abortion ( I guess Im not officially having it but same thing )

Answer 7

I'm a my wallet my choice guy. There has to be give and take.

We are teaching women to think like children, "I'm the center of the universe".

I'm for taking away all the special legislation for women and us having equality.

Answer 8

If a woman wants to have all the reproductive rights she should have all the responsibilities, including monetary.  Don't claim to be the one with the power if you cannot support the life.

Answer 9

Yeah i'm with bart.

I'm not the guy who wants less responsibilities to my kid, i'm the guy who wants more rights to my kid.

I'm too much of a soft touch to not support my kid anyway.

I'd just rather that i get a say in whether or not i get to be a dad.

Is that such a horrible concept?

Answer 10

50/50 may always be the way to go, except there's a flaw in your logic.

A man cannot carry a child 50% of the pregnancy. A woman has to carry the fetus 100% of her pregnancy, and therefore a pregnancy is 100% her choice.

I am a my body, my choice person, and quite thankful for my right to be.

-Edit: In which case, Author, the woman will have decided to have her child, and she would obviously be responsible for either taking care of her child, or giving the child up for adoption. If a man doesn't want to be a father, I'm completely for his rights to not have to be one. As far as I'm concerned, if I make the choice to have a child, I'm making the choice to take care of a child solely. :)

-Edit: You're absolutely right. I don't stand for equality when it comes to pregnancy, because there can't be equality. Men cannot carry children, therefore a man cannot force a woman to carry a child, so that he can be a dad. Sorry.

As far as once the pregnancy is done and over with, I'm all for a man's parental rights. He has the choice to be a father and provide for his child, or he has the right to say, "Hey, I'm not ready for this." and be on his merry way. I understand the point you're trying to make. I'm just saying I don't agree with it.

Answer 11

Yeah, which would also mean the father shouldn't have any responsibilities.  But as soon as a man tries to back off from his responsibilities, suddenly people want equality.

I wish people would make up their minds.      

The fact is though, the baby is NOT part of the mother's body.  If s/he was, we'd all be carbon copies of our mothers.  I have different DNA from my mom.  You have different DNA from yours.  So does everyone else.  I wasn't part of my mother's body, in other words.  Yes, I couldn't survive on my own for most of that time, but I was not part of her body.

People tend to forget that the average life span, at least in the US, is around 76 years, and that's a LOT longer than the 9 months or so a baby will be in the mother's body.  I'll get labelled as a misogynist for this, because heck, everything else I say gets me labelled as that by somebody on here, but I do realize that pregnancy is a difficult thing for a woman to go through and she has to do more real work initially than the father does.  But that doesn't make it any less his child than hers.

For the record, I'm not for allowing fathers to walk out of their kids' lives either, although it probably looks like it above.  

Answer 12

My concern is the right of the child to know and be supported by both of its parents!  

Answer 13

The right to abort is only that: the right to abort. That means that within roughly the first 20 weeks of a pregnancy, the ultimate decision to abort is legally left up to the woman. After that, any decisions that affect the child should be equally the mother and the father's decision, so long as one of the parents has not been deemed legally unfit.