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If evolution is true, why are there still monkeys, and apes?

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If evolution is true, why are there still monkeys, and apes?

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  1. The reason why there are still apes is because apes have always been apes, thers is absolutely no observable evidence that suggests other wise, the fossil record alone and the complete non-existance of any transitional forms or "ie" missing liks is a huge blow to the darwinist especially in light of the cambrian explosion, biologys "big bang" sort of speak, which is unanimously accepted among all science.  Darwin himself said in his (The Origin of Species By Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of the Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life, 1872)

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    "Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely-graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and serious objection which can be urged against the theory. The explanation lies, as I believe, in the extreme imperfection of the geological record." He believed that eventually the transitional forms would show up in the geologic strata but indeed over one hundred years later non have ever been found. A transitional for is a record of fossils thats would show a gradual evolutionary change in a species skelotal structure proving his thoery, like an ape turning into a human, Darwin thought we would literally find thousands if not hundreds of thousands, yet we have found none.


  2. Because in manner of speaking, unlike us humans they are governed by nature, that leave's them no choice but as to follow a

    certain protocal which in an ironical way serve's to there advantage in determining the assurance of longevity in the species.

    Look at roaches, they've survived millions

    of years, why i don't know and what the

    h**l purpose they serve is beyond me, then of course you have ants that like man have an instinct or at least a capacity when

    needed will wage war with other insects in

    defence of there own survival, with such a ferosity and stradegy that make's humans look like a bunch of sick idiots  by any sort of comparrison . . .

    Simply we put we have choice, they don't. yet quite frankly from everything i see now a days and at the rate we're going, forget it, my money would be on the apes in out surviving us by a long shot, beside's a diet of bananas and leaves and mother's milk

    far surpasses a triple classic meal of fries

    and a grease infested bacon burger from

    wendy's any day . . . lol.

  3. Computer systems have evolved over the years.

    Why are the original IBM systems still around?

    Better still- If you came from your parents and grand parents why are THEY still around; not dying immediately upon your arrival.

    Man did not evolve from apes.

    Man and apes are different branches of the same evolutionary tree.

    But you knew that.  If you didn't read a book on evolution BEFORE you question it veracity.

  4. Evolution only means change, you know? I personally don't believe that we evolved from a monkey or an ape, however I do believe in continuing change. Think about this...if you took a handful of identical seeds and you scattered them throughout the world..would they all grow the same? Even the same color? The same height? The same brilliance? Probably not, huh? Still, in my mind, they came from the same hand of creation. Grandma

  5. This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of evolution.

    Humans are not the peak or aim of evolution.

    Please check out this link:

    http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/...

  6. Please tell me you are kidding.  Just trying to get our goat?

    And berickf, you weren't kidding!  Your mission, if you choose to accept it........

    :)

  7. The first concept to understand in this discussion is that humans did not evolve from contemporary apes or monkeys.  Our evolutionary precursor was what is called a "common ancestor" who was ape but not recognizable as a modern ape.  The next step in answering your question is to understand what evolution is. Evolution is conditional on variability within a population, and how this variation is selected for within the environment via reproductive success.  This is the primary aspect of evolution important to this discussion.

    Now, not only are modern Apes NOT our common ancestor, but they have also followed their own separate evolutionary paths since our divergence from our common ancestor.  Our closest relatives (chimpanzees and bonobos) have continued to evolve during their 6-7 million years of separate evolution to their distinct environments. Of course seeing as their generational spacing is large, like it is with humans, this evolution is more difficult to see within a small time frame as well. Evolution, however, is based primarily on reproductive success whereby the most fit individuals within given environments will produce the most offspring and the characteristics which provided that success will spread amongst the group. Let me give you some examples of evolution occurring within Chimpanzees and Bonobos. These two primate species diverged from our common ancestor around 6-7 mya and then consequently split from their shared common ancestor 2-2.5 mya. In this time an array of distinct differences have evolved that make these two species very distinguishable from one another and these differences are clearly from environmental pressures. The bonobos, for instance practice bipedalism much more frequently then Chimpanzees and also have a drastically different means of conflict resolution, where as chimpanzees are much more quadrepedal, aggressive and competitive. So why have these characteristics sprung up in the mere 2my since these two groups were isolated from each other because of the changing flow of a river which geographically split their common ancestor into two groups? Well, the bonobos were restricted into a more swamp like/arboreal environment, which was confined in space, where as the chimpanzees were left in a savanna/arboreal mixed environment, which was expansive. The swampy aspect of the bonobo habitat forced them to practice bipedalism frequently because their terrain was not fully traversable without adapting to this strategy periodically. Those individuals who were better adapted became better foragers in providing access to resources and removing these same food resources from swampy areas and this characteristic has been selected for over generations. Chimpanzees meanwhile have found great success in being primarily quadrapedal because the mixed arboreal savanna environment has no selective advantage towards being bipedal much to the chagrin of contemporary anthropology. I wish that they could look at the primates that have adapted more bipedalism (proboscis for traversing mangrove forests, crab eating macaques when carrying their shellfish to shore, Japanese macaques when bathing in the hot springs) before jumping to their foolish "mixed" hypothesis conclusion. The other differential traits between bonobos and chimpanzees that are very apparent are in how they deal with conflict resolution. Bonobos, who live in a confined environment, rarely result in full out conflict. They have a culture of threat displays and sexual resolution techniques that are fully employed before conflict arises. This includes running bipedaly while dragging sticks, to p***s fencing, to female genital genital rubbing. They appear to be bi-sexual at first, but upon further observation it becomes obvious that these rituals are all about relieving stress and combativeness in a controlled manner and they are not actually s*x crazy primates as some have portrayed them. Quite honestly, because of their confined space this group of primates can not afford to fight aggressively because conflicts would be too frequent and too costly to the group, so other means of conflict resolution have formed to adapt to this confined environment. Chimpanzees, alternatively, do not have this confined environment and are an ultra competitive group of primates who tend to use physical dominance to acquire a higher ranking thus hopefully attaining more reproductive opportunities. Chimpanzees have also been observed to conduct warfare and will murder males from neighbouring groups and they have clearly defined territories. If bonobos were to live like this they would no longer exist today because their troops show much more overlap between one another and conflicts and murders would have become far to commonplace if they lived like chimpanzees. Research at Yerkes primate research center has utilized interactive and educational tools to determine the cognitive abilities of both of these primate species and as would be expected and corroborates what field observations would predict, bonobos are much better communicators, where as chimpanzees are much better tool makers. So, evolution has continued in our closest relatives since our divergence with them yet they have not become much more like us over that period.

    As you can see all primates, including humans, are in a constant state of evolution. If an environment on a macro scale is no longer very influential like is seen with humans especially, then there is little reason for any noticeable phenotypic expression that might cause noticeable morphological changes. Undoubtedly, however, the environment on a micro scale is much more active due to the extremely short generational cycle of micro organisms and, as-of-such, this rapidly changing micro-environment is constantly being adapted to and evolution at this level is very apparent within all primates.

    Clearly evolution has not stopped in any primate species, human or other.  But considering that evolution is from a "common ancestor" and not from any contemporary species then there is a questions that is 100% equivalent to yours which may put yours into perspective.

    If evolution is true and Chimpanzees have evolved from Humans, then why do we still have humans?

    After all both of these species are equidistant from our common ancestor so the coin may be flipped.  Evolution is NOT progressive, simply adaptive and Chimpanzees are just as well adapted to their environment as humans are at modifying our own environments instead of adapting to them.

    So that you may take less offense I will put two more examples for you to ponder, that of my example of Bonobos and Chimpanzees, both of which are equidistant to their own common ancestor and have experienced 2-2.5 my of separate evolutionary paths.

    If evolution is true and Chimpanzees have evolved from Bonobos, then why do we still have Bonobos?

    If evolution is true and Bonobos have evolved from Chimpanzees, then why do we still have Chimpanzees?

    Like I said, when you pretend that modern species are equivalent to a common ancestor then the coin can be flipped and it starts to sound pretty ridiculous!

    I hope that this clarifies your question for you!

  8. Basic evolutionary theory allows for the formation of new species.  Each new species occupies a niche or lifestyle.  That lifestyle has unique demands that select or shape the animal to make the maximum out of its particular lifestyle.  

    Some species stayed in the tree and didn't change as much so were still recognizable as monkeys.  Others became larger and eventually  moved to the ground.  There was still a good living to be made in the trees so the monkeys stayed in the trees and stayed essentially monkeys.  Those on the ground had to change.  The change is because of selection pressures that favor one animal over another.  

    Evolution doesn't have a goal to produce humans or higher lifeforms.  It  is a mathematical process where the most fit tend get better and better at whatever environment they are in.  How do you make a monkey better in the trees.  Even if you do, you still have a monkey.

  9. Lets say that a group of humans are sent to Mars and get stuck there for generation and  generations(hypothetically speaking)...  This group would be away from the rest of humanity...and-so when a mutation occurs in the Martian-humans, that mutation would have a likelier chance of being passed down through out the population more quickly than it would be on the Earth-humans (because there are millions and millions of earth humans).

    Now, lets say that in Mars enough mutations occur (after hundreds or thousands of generations) to make them a different species of human (meaning, they can no longer mate with an earth-human and produce children).  

    That doesn't mean that Earth-humans disappear... it just means that the Mars-humans are a different species.

    That is why there are apes and monkeys and humans.  Because Humans are just a different type of Ape then the ones that exist now.  

    BTW:  The apes that we derive from no longer exist.

  10. Still?  Most monkeys and apes have evolved about the same as us since they split off from us via a common ancestor.

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