If in 2012 the warmest year on record remains 1998, why should we bother with a Kyoto-follow-up agreement?

Question

Crapface, I think your analogy fails on several fronts.

Kyoto doesn't say "don't change the temperature" - it says cut CO2 emissions.

Answer 1

Why?  because the left in this nation hates everything about this county and wishes with all that they are to end it as painfuly as possible.

Answer 2

CO2 is not the problem as plants are taking care of that. The Kyoto agreement wanted us to reduce our CO2 production by about 66% .. It would be very dificult to do that . Why sign anything that puts US under another oversight.

Answer 3

Two things affect temperature in any given year.  Weather (which goes up and down) and climate change.  This graph shows the difference and how to sort them out.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/

The black line is the annual average, which jumps around like crazy.  The red line is the 5 year average, which shows the long term trend.  Using a long term average to separate "noise" from signal is a very well established technique in science.  It's how the Hubbell takes those amazing photographs.

1998 was an unusually warm year as far as weather was concerned.  Basing serious judgments on it is not appropriate.  Look at the red line, which is what counts.

Answer 4

we shouldnt...

according to the mayan calendar and Nostrademon...

the world ends on dec 24th 2012...

so live it up... blow up the earth and sin like crazy...

right?

Answer 5

If in 2078 the largest holocaust is still the one that took place during World War II, why should we continue to make and enforce laws barring anyone from trying to make it happen again?

Just because things "seem" to have gotten a bit better, it doesn't mean you should discontinue your efforts.  And we didn't participate in the first Kyoto, so it's not like it's any thanks to us (and by us I mean the US).

Answer 6

First, it was discovered that NASA had done their calculations incorrectly.  The warmest year in the last century was actually 1937, not 1998.  Valid question though.

There should not be a follow up Kyoto agreement.  The only country of all the signatories that met their goals was Norway (this was due to massive subsidies from their oil industry, kind of ironic).

Why do we need an agreement to limit global CO2 when global temp has been going down for 4 years while CO2 levels have been increasing (psst....maybe CO2 doesn't affect the temperature).

Answer 7

Remember back into the 90s when we suddenly went crazy about ozone and needed to remove CFCs?

There was a hole in the ozane layer caused by a volcanic eruption.  In two years, the hole was gone, and it would have been impossible to get the legislation passed.

Same thing with global warming.  The globe heated up, and Kyoto was right around the peak temp.  Now, as things cool, it gets harder to justify, so they have to move fast.

And, of course, it will not help anything, just people like to push other people around, pass restrictive laws to show off how powerful they are, etc.

Answer 8

The Pro-AGW argument has been showing many failures as we move forward and gather more data, hasn't it?

The original prediction has been halved more than five times to present day...which means that it is less than 3% accurate.

Now, they are trying to mitigate their incompetence by producing an offset theory called 'Global Dimming'.

Kyoto was a sham to begin with.  How do you do anything of consequence when you don't hold China and India accountable to the proposed solution?  I read an article not too long ago which stated that Global Warming pollutants from Chinas mining industry alone, surpass all of the US Automobile Emissions combined.

I can't locate that particular article right now, but found one which states that China's Coal-based Global Warming Gases will surpass the entire combined Industrialized Countries in 25years...NYTimes 2006.  See URL below.

I don't believe in AGW and feel that we should do away with the Kyoto Protocol.  The real problem is pollution...period.  Any solution to pollution will require everyone and every country to be part of the plan.  No exemptions.

Answer 9

Is it just me or do you see alarmists throwing around n**i comparisons lately.  Crapface analogizes your argument with the holocast.  Alarmist call skeptics deniers in order to compare them with holocast deniers.  The simple truth of the matter, Nazism was popular with the socialist and leftist in this country until Hitler invaded other countries and became an obvious enemy and then they simply started calling them right wingers as if that new label somehow changed the truth.  Creighton's book on global warming does a wonderful job of comparing the Eugenics crowd in leftist communities of the west and ultimately with the n***s but I digress.  

Obviously, Kyoto and anything resembling it should be tossed in the garbage, right next to the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf.

Answer 10

its a known fact that we as humans cannot change the earth

mabey the reason is for cleaner air?

Answer 11

keith p said:

"If? 1998 has already been surpassed as the warmest year on record, in 2005, and has already been tied, in 2007."

When your conclusion is only supported by 1 data set out of 4, then your conclusion isn't very robust.

Crapface,

Your analogy makes no sense whatsoever in this context.

Answer 12

what if-- in 2012 the planet shifts on it's plane of rotation then what-- will it matter

Answer 13

Because the planet has continued warming, even though 1998 was abnormally hot due to El Nino.

Currently the warming has slowed due to La Nina, but this is a temporary reprieve, not a permanent one.  Delaying action due to a confusion between weather and climate would be a critical error.

Answer 14

A better question is, what would make you ever support a Kyoto-type agreement?  The last decade has been the warmest on record, but you're only thinking about what will happen if things stop getting warmer.  Planning for denial should be easy: we just keep doing nothing--but what if it does keep getting warmer? What will it take for you to believe in science?

Answer 15

If? 1998 has already been surpassed as the warmest year on record, in 2005, and has already been tied, in 2007.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabled...