If men are more aggressive does that mean women are submissive?

Question

A question asked yesterday focused on how women and men are different. (Agreed) The asker went on to say that males are more aggressive and that (here's the male "logic") therefore females are submissive.

One answerer even posted research that shows that unneutered dogs bite and fight more often than any other dogs. Which is definitely true and, if anything, is a very good argument against the existence of testicles.

But my question is this: If men are more aggressive, does that logically mean that women are submissive? I'm not talking about male "logic" here, we've already seen that in action.

If you have real logical abilities please explain what the problem in this argument: "Unneutered male dogs fight and bite more than other dogs, therefore female humans are naturally submissive."

To preempt the most likely (idiotic) responses:

Feel free to call me a feminist, or any variation thereof. I pride myself on being a feminist so I'll take your compliment.

The only purpose male aggression could possibly serve is protecting the important members of society: Mothers and children. However, if there were no other males with violent testicles, then there is no need for violent testicles to defend from violent testicles.

And finally, why testicles aren't necessary: http://www.samesexprocreation.com/timeline.htm

Answer 1

Why would you do that? Why are you so much against testicles? Love them much? Want one for your self? or a pair? I think you need them balls.

Well, jokes apart.

I would love to chat up one on one with you, to at least hear your part of story. Questions here are never enough because you don't have time for rebuttal. What you are doing here is what Ann Coulter does with the widows of 9/11. She calls them "fame hungry broads" in her books and on cable, never face to face. Hate as much as you like, it just saps your energy the wrong way. Try some intelligent discussion with a mature man.

P.S. You said, " very good argument against the existence of testicles" comparing aggressive behavior of animals. I agree, against the existence of one pair only at this point. YOUR DAD BEFORE YOU WERE BORN.

See, I can throw a punch. Can you take it, dear?

Answer 2

I have a few problems with this....

One. I have full confidence that human males are more intelligent, and have more control of their lives then male dogs.  Which is something apparently the poster of this quote disagrees with, he believe that men are no better then animals.  which I know to be false.

Two. The statement that men are dominate, isnt exactly true there are many full grown male humans who are not the aggressive dominating types.

Three. I dont believe all men to be rapist, violent, or out of control of their emotions (isnt that what getting angry and getting into a fight is?)

Four: Like men, not all women are the same many are aggressive, completive and dominating.

Five: there are no male or female personality traits, only human traits. We develop ourselves though a combination of nature and nurture, so it s not all in the p***s vs v****a.

Six: the world isnt black and white.  Just b/c one thing is one way doesnt mean that the other is the exact opposite. Plus most things, including people personalities fall into grey areas.

Conclusion: This males logic was way off.  

Answer 3

as stated earlier, you have a lot of pent up rage. Why do you hate males so much? It seems you want to kill off all the males in the world.

Feminism is supposed to be about equal rights, you don't want that, you want women to be better than men and put on a pedestal.

Answer 4

I'm also proud to call myself a feminist, I do wear combat boots if they match the outfit but I don't mind at all if a guy opens a door for me.

I think submissive is the wrong term, I think the term should be passive instead.  I also think it's wrong period.  Women tend to be more peace makers than aggressors probably because we can't compete physically most of the time.  Doesn't mean we're whipping boys (or girls as the case may be).

All my male dogs have been nuetered, they still fight.  All the women in my family are feminists, opinionated and stick up for themselves.  We're also good debaters problem solvers and negotiators.

Answer 5

I don't think I've ever been the boss of any women I've ever been with or wanted to for that matter. Your idea to curve male violence is simple and may work, but involves violence to human beings, any idea's to make a society better by harming a member of it, like marriage look good on paper but never seem to work out in the real world.

Answer 6

No, there are aggressive women & submissive men as well. That is just a generalization to say that all women are submissive & all men are aggressive.  

Answer 7

I pity lotus, she seems to have alot of pent up anger

Answer 8

Well, since you seem to have it already figured out, why bother with the question? Are you trying to impress us with your stunning intellect?

Answer 9

such anger lotus, what is it therapy, meds, alcohol, what gets you through the day.  Does the anger just seethe inside of you, does it ever boil over. What about the bitterness, can you just taste it on your tongue, does it go away with brushing your teeth, or does it take a couple shots o' liquor.  Are you tensing right now as your reading this, facial features pinching, well act now and buy my book how to be a  better person in 5 easy steps. You can have the power to be happy and fulfilled.  You don't have to be miserable and shrill your whole life.  God loves you!

Answer 10

If one is aggressive, that doesn't automatically mean the other is submissive. SubmittED, perhaps...

It's also been documented that more women than men are passive-aggressive.

So, we're both aggressive, but by different methods.

Answer 11

Nope; the roles are interchangeable.

Answer 12

Then you must assume that all these women have testicles?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Winkle...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fe...

http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stu...

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lODiU5Td4...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9em3TGQa...

Answer 13

I know nobody is going to like to hear this, but I have to agree with the Tracey clone.  The first thing that popped into my head also was that "Violent Testicles" would be an awesome name for a punk rock band.  You'd better go patent it before someone else takes off with your idea.

Anyway ... I kind of see your point.  Back before we had all these modern conveniences male aggression was more important and women needed to be kept and protected ... which would obviously make the woman the submissive one in the marriage.  Which is not necessarily true any more.

And you're right, there is no good use for male aggression these days.  We need to take care of this problem now.

Unfortunately my husband hates when I put the collar and leash on him, and I expect he's going to fight me hard when I take him to get fixed.  Any suggestions on what can I do to keep my man calm before such a procedure?

Answer 14

Women aren't submissive. At least not me. Guys are agressive because they have more testosterone. Girls also have testosterone, just not as much. So they can be agressive but not nearly as much.

Answer 15

You saying "testicles aren't necessary" and then linking to a website that in no way what so ever says that it is possible to produce a genetically viable, mating population of a same s*x species without losing genetic diversification, is sort of like me saying "Christopher Columbus sailed to North America. That must mean it's possible for us to sail to the Moon."

The technical demonstration of what amounts to glorified cloning techniques used to produce what would assuredly be sterile lab rats, in no way should lead you or anyone else to think that you could perpetuate a species over the long term in this manner.

You claim: "The only purpose male aggression could possibly serve is protecting..."

Which is patently false. Focus and drive stem from aggression. Aggression output into productive avenues results in us putting people on the moon and coming up with cures for disease. You can call these traits "drive" or "focus" if you want, but the fact is competition is aggression.

You go on to state: "if there were no other males with violent testicles, then there is no need for violent testicles to defend from violent testicles." [sic]

Of course this must be 100% true, I mean it's not like there has ever been a violent woman in the history of all existence. I am sure the 32 Federal female prisons in the U.S. are full of nothing but white collar criminals.

For anyone to even attempt to answer your question you would first have to define aggression in a nongender biased way including the positive expressions of it. Then define a manner in which you could quantify it. If you start out with the assumption that your preconcieved notions are true then your skewing your question towards a direction in which the truth may not lie.

My "male" logic is most certainly no comparison for yours, but humor me. Compare apples to apples with a nonprejudiced question and maybe you might just see that being an "idiot" is gender neutral.

Of course, I suppose a REAL feminist would have to acknowledge that women are just as good at being idiots as men.