If toyota has 25 to 60 more horsepower than everyone else as the rumors claim.?

Question

why do people say are cheating? the parts are supposed to be inspected by nascar and if they pass are legal. so how is this cheating? sounds like the big three have been caught napping.

Answer 1

Probably because for one Toyota teams were caught with a substance in the intake manifold, stole Jack Roush's sway bar, and used money to buy out one of the top NASCAR teams in the industry that GM spent a lot of money on to help fund Gibb's organization into becoming a top organization instead of starting a team from scratch and having to build their own data.

Michael Waltrip even told his daughter, "Daddy got caught cheating".  http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/CarRacing/S...

...and they were kicked out of another series for.....mmmm...I don't know.... mmmm..... maybe.... CHEATING...!!! :(< my church lady impression lol)

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn...

5) Toyota, 1995 World Rally Championship

Toyota was kicked out of the 1995 Championship after being caught using an incredibly sophisticated device designed for the sole purpose of cheating. The power of a rally car was controlled by a restrictor plate governing the amount of air entering the engine's turbocharger. Toyota designed a device into their turbo which allowed air to bypass the restrictor and give an extra 50bhp - a sizable increase in power. The device was held open by powerful springs, but it would automatically snap shut when the turbo was dismantled for inspection. "Inside, it was beautifully made," said Max Mosley, the FIA president. "To force the springs open without the special tool would require substantial force. It was the most sophisticated and ingenious device either I or our technical experts had ever seen."

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/0...

And about the stolen sway bar.

http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headline...

Anything else?

Answer 2

How is that cheating? Hendrick motors have been highest for past couple years. Toyota just did their homework. Not their fault Mikey W is a 35th place driver.

Answer 3

It's not an issue of more horespower.

Toyota dumped a LOT of $$ into off season testing, and r&d.

That's why they are so dominant.

Answer 4

nascar says its only 10-12 hp but we all know it has to be more then that cause if it was only 10-12 no one would really care

Answer 5

A lot of great answers, and fundamentally it's xenophobia- which is sad, because we are the land of the free. GM, Ford and Dodge aren't stepping up, that's not Lee White's fault.

People here wouldn't remember, but Richard Petty had a monster under the hood in the mid-60's and monster support. All the rest just had to put up with it.

Funny how nobody says anything about HMS cheating anymore. I guarantee that if Dave Blaney went on a killer winning streak, they'd say he's cheating too.

Answer 6

It's not cheating and it's xenophobes saying that because they feel that Toyota is here to take over the world!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...

Answer 7

I'm as tired as anybody of seeing the Toyotas win BUT it isnt cheating if you're just doing a better job than everybody else.  Eventually the tides will change.

Answer 8

It's only 10-12 horse's on the Dyno !! Everyone from Nascar to Detroit to Roush Racing have the numbers !!

No biggy!! Its always been that way. $$$$like tom p noted.

Answer 9

Yeah its much less that 25-60 horsepower.  Nascar has long been a sport with different brands doing better or worse than other brands.  This type of problem has always been apart of nascar.  Back in the 80s and 90s it was the body style that everyone would worry about.  Ford, Chevy, and GM (Back when they had the Grand Prix) were always saying one had a better areo advantage than another.  All the bodies were different providing better performance on top speed, and down force.  Like I said this was always an issue with owners constantly voicing their concerns with nascar.  

Now with the new car being the way it is all the bodies are the same, so you have to gain your advantage somewhere else... such as in the motor...

Chevy and Ford do have other engines they will be getting into, I would say by nextyear.  Chevy tried their engine lastyear in a few exhibition races like the all star race... while it provided more horsepower they only wanted to test it so they could take it back to the shop and get a good look at wear patters and other internal issues.

If these teams would have known how much better the Toyotas would have been this year, they would have steped up their R&D shops during the off season.

While 5-10 more HP does not sound like much, its a huge difference at those speeds, and under those conditions...  

Its not cheating at all, its just good R&D by Toyota...

Answer 10

...TOYOTA clearly has an advantage with all the money they put into R&D.... and yes TOYOTA does have a little bit more horses under the hood. The did everything possible to gain an advantage without crossing the line.  

So technically their not cheating....they just have an ADVANTAGE.

Bottom line: Toyota put money into it, everyone else didn't wanna spend that much.

Answer 11

if toyota had that much more horsepower why is only one of them winning every week not different ones

Answer 12

why are yall so worried about this c**p

man talking about beating something to death

i'm a chevy fan and i'm not the least bit concerned

THIS IS HOW RACING WORKS

GET IT

Answer 13

Agreeing with gregs111..

Take Kyle Busch out of the equation all together.

Having done that, Toyota's would have 2 wins this season.

1st, Denny Hamlin who won at Martinsville.

2nd, Tony Stewart who came in 2nd to Kyle at Atlanta.

Would these questions still be asked if that were the case?

Would people still be whining at every opportunity to claim they have such an advantage? NO!!

The thing people need to realize, it's not Toyota dominating, it's Rowdy!!

Answer 14

Engine is better than other manufacturers.

Answer 15

It is a rumor w/ no proof.  There had been an advantage on the Nationwide series up til last week.

I agree with Winter Glory......take Rowdy out of the equation and there would be no issue.