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If we are born sinners...?

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then why would God not want us to sin?

I know he wishes for us to CHOOSE him over sin, but then why create us as sinners in the first place? Its like buying a goldfish and hoping that it doesn't swim.

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  1. because we are conceived in a *state * of sin, when we enter this worlds atmosphere, but we do not become accountable for sin till we are a t a age of accountability.

    That's why babies and little children go straight to heaven when they die.


  2. No...original sin is us being exposed to the evil of the world (when we are born) and the human tendency for sin. We aren't actually doing anything wrong when we are infants. Baptism enters us into the Church, therefore erasing the original sin.

    We did not choose to have original sin. But our free will allows us to commit other sins. Free will is a gift from God. He expects us to use it wisely and positively. But ofcourse everyone makes mistakes, and He is very forgiving and loving about everything.

    Sin is bad obviously...so why are you wondering why God doesn't want us to sin?

  3. Yet another reason Christianity is wrong. It fails the common sense test numerous times

  4. Adam and Eve brought about sin by disobeying God and obeying the devil.  

    God sent Jesus to die on the cross in order to redeem us of our sins, to free us from our sins.  Bible says "Whom the Son sets free is free indeed."

    John 3:7 "you must be born again."

    John 3:16  "For God so loved the world, that He gave His one and only Son, that whosoever believes in Him, shall not perish but have eternal life."

  5. because originally were not created to sin.  He wants to restore His image in us.

  6. He doesn't want us to sin and did not create us as sinners. That was our choice. Through Adams sin, we all became sinners....

    Romans 5:12  Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

    But the Good News is that...

    Romans 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.  

  7. We are born with sinful nature, capable of doing what is right. God wants us to do what is right

  8. This is a perpetual question for theologians and laity alike.  When we look at the world and recognize that a holy and infinitely perfect God has created us, we can appreciate His majesty and wonder.  But, it is impossible for us to ignore the fact that this world is far from perfect.  There is sin in it.  Why, then, if God is infinitely perfect and powerful, did He create a world and allow the fall to occur to contaminate it?  

         The Bible doesn't give us specific answer to this question, but I would like to offer this possible answer as food for thought.  

          God did not lack anything in Himself that prompted His creative act.  He wasn't lonely or bored.  To say such a thing about Him would be to imply He is not eternally self-sufficient and perfect.  But, if God is perfect and doesn't need anything, why would He then create us -- and the universe for us to live in -- that has fallen into sin?  What purpose would it serve?

         I suspect the answer lies within God's nature and a few clues spread throughout God's word.  To begin with, God is love (1 John 4:16) and the nature of love is to give.  John 3:16 says "For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son..."  I cannot help but believe that the most natural quality of love is to give, to be other centered, and, according to Jesus' own words, to give of one's self to the point of death.   John 15:13 is where Jesus said, "Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends."

         According to Jesus, there is no greater demonstration of love than self sacrifice to the point of death.  Since God is love (1 John 4:16) and there is none greater than He, I conclude that God can and will be the one who demonstrates the greatest act of love.  I cannot see God allowing a mere creation to demonstrate this in a better way than He.  It would be a necessary outcome of His own nature and a necessary manifestation in any universe He created that the two greatest commandments spoken of by Jesus to love God and love your neighbor (x*x) would be supremely demonstrated by none other than God Himself.  Jesus was God in flesh who loved the Father perfectly and He loved us completely by laying down His life for us.  This is the greatest and most perfect act of love according to Jesus.

         If this is true, then it might just be that God had to create the universe so that the fall would be included in His plan for the very purpose of demonstrating and manifesting His perfect character:  Love!  To demonstrate the very greatest part of His nature of love, He would have to die for someone else.  This could not be done if there was no one to die for and no reason to die for them.  There could be no reason to die if there were no need for an atonement.  There would be no need for an atonement if there were no sin.  If there was no fall, there would be no sin.

         Therefore, perhaps it is possible that God created the universe with "free will" creatures in it who would fall into sin. Without this fall, ultimately no death would be necessary to atone for them and without that death, the greatest act of love could not be demonstrated.  Also, this would mean that the truest and most perfect quality of love would not be fulfilled.  Would this then mean that God would not be perfectly fulfilled without having given of Himself?  I don't know.  But I can't help wondering that for God to truly express His perfectly loving nature, He Himself had to be one who laid His life down for others.  For this to happen, He allowed sin to exist in this world.

         Furthermore, I suspect that it was Jesus Himself in the garden who walked with Adam and Eve.  I base this upon Jesus' own words in John 6:46 where He states that no one has ever seen the Father.  Yet, we know that God appeared in the Old Testament (Gen. 17:1; 18:1; Exodus 6:2-3; 24:9-11; Num. 12:6-8; Acts 7:2; etc.).  If it was God who was seen and it wasn't the Father, then it must have been Jesus.  Why do I bring this up?  Because after Adam and Eve sinned, God Himself (Jesus?) shed the blood of an animal in order to cover them with animal skins.  This shedding of blood was instituted by God as a prophetic typology of the true and final sacrifice that God (Jesus) would carry out so many thousands of years later when He laid His life down as the perfect demonstration of His loving character.  The redemption of mankind was always in the mind of God and was planned and carried out by God as a manifestation of the eternal love He has for His people.  This love was made complete in the death of Christ.  Also, I suspect that this is what is hinted at in Heb. 13:20 with the reference to the "blood of the eternal covenant" that some theologians think is reference to God's eternal plan of salvation made within the Trinity before the universe was made.  This covenant was the inter-Trinitarian arrangement to redeem mankind through the sacrifice of Christ.

         Therefore, I conclude that God may very

  9. For His Kingdom

    He did not creat us to sin, or as sinners. We had free will. We fell as human beings. We cannot fellowship with Him anymore.

    We have broken His Laws and are condemned on Judgment Day. We have to repent and trust in Jesus Christ to be saved. Faith not by works so that no one can boast. He is too Holy. That is why he needs worthy saved people to enter into fellowship with Him.

  10. If we were born sinners, then God must be really lonely up there.

  11. We don't choose him over sin, we choose him or we don't. Sin is what separates us, but once we choose him, our sins are "covered", they don't count against us.

  12. Actually, God can do whatever He wants. Being realistic is our job. This is the way it is and we should try to make the best of it. But God promises us that this struggle and challenge will lead to a kingdom beyond our wildest imagination. Our potential for greatness is now  better this way.

  13. He did not create us as sinners. He created us as CHOOSERS, and our ancestors chose sin for us.

    That's not our fault, but it is now our problem.

  14. nopeeeee

  15. God CREATED Adam and Eve without sin and with freewill, God did not CREATE us, we are BORN of man, Adam was Created by God.

    We are the descendants of a sinner, so we are sinners too.

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