Im curious if anyone in BJJ or MMA has seen this submission?

Question

I think i might have accidently invented a submission but before i take credit for it i want to know if anyone has seen anything like it

it happened by accident a lot like the Mir arm lock did

we were practicing side control

my opponent had proper technique

and it was our job to then get them back into guard

i went to pull rubber guard since im very flexible its natural for me to do

next time i know my opponent was tapping out

i asked him what was up he said he couldn't breathe

i called my Sensei over who was instructing us and he said in the different styles hes worked in and in all his years of training hes never seen anything like it

so i was curious

has anyone ever seen a move like this before?

Answer 1

In a street fight I would be biting chunks out of your arms and bite some of your fingers off (the Bruce Lee biting technique) before you ever got me near a hold.

Ring fighting styles are really not that good on a nasty side walk full of snow, rain, dog mess, and other debris.

Answer 2

I have seen a couple of variations of what you are doing, we have a very flxible lightweight that has all kinds of weird rubberguard subs and work well in grappling but he has a hard time transitioning them into our MMA training, BUT...as Judo pointed out he gets better all the time.  

I understand you are demonstrating the move but I would love to see you put a YOUTUBE of training that in the future in real time.  I will show my friend and see if he can emulate it in training so I can see what the effect because it looks easy to prevent and easy to escape, but I know as well as anyone looks can be deceiving.

Answer 3

That is the cool thing is always coming up with stuff like this..

I don't think there is a name for this, or have seen this as a submission, mainly because I think it would be pretty easy to escape, and requires a difficult set up. (i.e. guy on top should cross face you with his elbow in your throat, and he has the ability to generate more leverage).  Also pushing up on a guy on side mount in MMA is a bad idea, it allows him to deliver more damage to you, generally you want to keep a guy on top of you in tight while you work. Also I don't see how it cuts off oxygen from the other side of his neck to be a choke.

I can see how you ended up in this position, obviously the pictures do it no justice because your opponent isn't doing proper side control in the pictures.

I would definately keep working on it, learning different set ups, and asking people how they would get out of it, and tweak it from there.

Looks cool though, and you may turn it into something. That is how submissions are made. I would work on the functional aspect of it being more of a choke, and ensuring you get both sides of the neck cut off. The thing about cranks, is most of the time experienced people don't tap for cranks (except for spine cranks like the twister), but a functional choke is a good thing, and this works a lot like a gogoplata, just look for a way to shut off the other side.

Going by your last picture, if you brought your left arm around his head, over hour foot, and grabbed your bicep, you would have a full choke there.

Also it wouldn't necessitate you pushing him away from you (where he can elbow you hard) you could keep him close, sneak your leg up, grab around and have a choke. Try that for a variation of this..

Again, I have never seen this, it is still raw and needs some work. Definately test it against people trying to get out of it, that is where real techniques get honed.

Good luck.. keep it up.

Answer 4

I've never seen that before. Looks interesting, though. Do what Judomofo says.

As for Desk3Bound, you're so silly. If you're pinned beneath a superior grappler and you try to bite him, he'll probably pound your face in. From an inferior position, you can't do much to him, but he could do a lot of damage to you. Furthermore, its the superior grappler who will be controlling position, so to rely on biting as opposed to legitimate technique would be folly.

To think that 'dirty tactics' would enable you to defeat a superior grappler on the ground is as ludicrous as thinking that you could overcome a world-class kickboxer on the strength of groin-shots and headbutts.

Do you think that a lesser fighter could defeat, say, your instructor if he was allowed to use dirty tactics and your teacher wasn't?

Biting, eye-gouging, and stuff like that comes into play when the skills of the combatants are relatively equal. But if there is a drastic difference in ability, such tactics won't be enough to turn the tide.