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In Lord of the Rings,right at the end, Gandalf sent Gwahir?

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the Windlord, to pick Frodo and Sam up from Mt Doom.

Why didn't He get Gwahir to drop the Bloody ring in the Volcano in the first place.

Might have saved everyone a lot of bother.

What, with making 3 films and all.

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  1. The Nazgul would have got him before he got to Mt. Doom

    He would have been seen


  2. fuc it they should have got bilbos cousin Too for the task

    but then again that would have been a 4.30 trip to Tesco

  3. because the ring was to tempting frodo tried to give it to him in part one but he couldn't take it cause then he would have wanted it for himself

  4. I don't think a big bird like that could've snuck in without being seen.

  5. Gwahir is a servant of Manwe, the Vala. He is prohibited, like Gandalf,  from actively "bailing out" the denizens of Middle-earth. There is every indication that the Eagles are the descendents of a Maia spirit that took the form of a giant eagle before the beginnings of the First Age, in much the same way that Shelob and the Spiders of Mirkwood were the descendents of Ungoliant, a Maia spirit who took the form and power of a great and terrible spider. Gandalf is allowed to inspire, befriend, and set events in motion, but he can never be the prime force that actually gets things done. Even when the White Council drove the Necromancer from Dol Guldur, it was still the decision of Galadriel and Elrond to do so in the first place - Gandalf urged them to do so, but he was not allowed to make the decision. It is the duty of the Eagles to watch, observe, and report to Manwe events and tidings of the world, not to interfere. Once the Ring had been destroyed they flew to Mount Doom at Gandalf's behest, as he is technically their superior, being a Maia spirit himself, and rescued what they found there. Being creatures of good they were not violating the rule of non-interference by saving the hobbits from certain death. There is every indication that had the Eagles been allowed to do so, they could have bested the Nazgul in the air even earlier - during the First Age the Eagles helped the Valar fight and destroy dragons, and with Earendil's help, Ancalagon the Black, mightiest of all winged dragons, whose fall broke the Ered Engrin and destroyed Angband, Melkor's subterranean fortress. During the events of the Hobbit, the Eagles save Gandalf, Bilbo, and the Dwarves from the orcs of the Misty Mountains, and then prove (along with Beorn) to be the final deciding factor in the Battle of Five Armies, knocking the orcs and wargs off the high passes of the Lonely Mountain, thus showing that the rule of non-interference can be bent a little in the case of the orcs, who are the Eagles greatest enemy during those days. And at any rate, they did not fight the battle for the men, elves, and dwarves, they just helped a little.

  6. While I do agree that it would have made more sense, you have to take into account that Sauron had a pretty good idea of what was going on his own lands and it was by luck (and the distraction of his wars outside the walls) that he didn't see two little dinky Hobbits heading straight for the mountain. Had a big eagle (because those eagles were MASSIVE) just flown on in, not only would it have orc archers and ballistae and seige weapons to content with, but there were also the wraiths with their nasty aerial beasts (and those felbeasts came from SOMEwhere) and - lest we forget - Sauron's magic.

    So, yes, it would have saved everyone a lot of trouble... it if had a snowball's chance in h**l of working. Even if the eagles had ALL gone in to protect the one carrying the ring, that wouldn't have swayed the ground-to-air units with their nasty weapons that don't care who all's in the way. A ballista bolt is just as apt to go through two eagles as it is to take one down, even birds that big. And even if Gandalf had gone with them, his magic only went so far, and Sauron was enough to easily counter the wizard for magic.

    Could the eagles have flown high enough? Not high enough to escape the felbeasts and the wraiths. Could they have outmaneuvered the wraiths? Possibly, but not without dropping within range of the ground weapons. And in any case at all, Sauron would have noticed an elephant-sized eagle flying into his territory. Besides, who knows how the One Ring might have managed to corrupt an eagle? The hobbit took it because he showed a resistance. Nobody ese would have been able to handle it.

    Still though. I have to agree with How-It-Should-Have-Ended's take.

  7. Is it hobbit forming?

  8. How about reading the books.  Gwahir actually comes to the aid of all in the end.   The Lord of the Rings trilogy has analogies in them to everyday life beside being fiction.  How about reading the books and and trying to relate things to everyday life?

  9. the eagles, like the ents, did not care to involve themselves with the problems of Middle earth, and never would have touched the One Ring

  10. You have a bloody good point there. It might have saved me several thousand pages of near-suicidal boredom.

    3 of the dullest films ever made.

    And they're not Folklore and Mythology, they're fiction. Really boring fiction.

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