In the UFC if fighting dirty was allowed would the ground and pound still be as effective as it is?

Question

or would there be a simple way to get the person off of them (like biting or pinching etc...)

I mean the mounted position looks pretty powerful and impressive...but is it only because this is "sport" fighting that actually has rules? OR would it be just as powerful in a real fight?

Answer 1

no one would bite whats biting gonna do but p**s someone off head butting would be the most usefull dirty tactic on the ground or in the clinch

Answer 2

Just as powerful in a real fight, I believe.  If I mount someone, I am immediately in a better position.  Someone biting or pinching or gouging my face or hitting me in the groin might hurt, but such techniques aren't magical one-hit fight enders.  Meaning that if I mount someone and they try to grope my balls with a nut shot, I'll likely hurt from it, but the damage I can do to them in return is going to be a lot worse than their piddly strike.

Answer 3

While I think it would still be effective, i think it would change the way some of it is done. I agree thatmany of the techniques, eye gouge, groin strike/grabbing etc are generally not fight enders, but I think too many poeple who have never experienced them discount how bad they can distract someone. no offense to oddeye, but if you caught  a good punch or elbow in the groin when you were mounted, it might not be as easy as you think to focus on what you are doing, from this piddly strike, especially if it were done with the intent to crush your testicals into the pubic bone. Just seeing some of the fighters that catch glancing, unintentional shots to the groin imedietly forget everything else, and the fact that they get up to 5 minutes to recover should tell you something.

I just think that too many people (mainly traditional) give them too much credit, and other people (mainly MMA people/ufc fans) give them too little credit.

Answer 4

it looks too dominating, it would still be good. it would be stronger actually because you could punch in the balls and kick in the head.

Answer 5

Absolutely.

These are positions of dominance... it would make ground and pound even worst. Personally, I wouldn't worry about a guy biting me, because after he spit out his mount piece I would use my elbows to do some quick dental surgery, then I would let him gum me to his heart's content.

Katana, the type of force you are talking about it pretty d**n hard to generate when you are being mounted. Also experience getting nailed or elbowed in the face from mount, and find that you are much more likely to cover up and protect yourself then to be going for eyes or balls. And if you don't cover up and protect yourself, you will probably be rendered unconscious before being able to do much else.

The simple fact is, when mounted, aside from controlling the person on top, if you are not protecting yourself, you won't have time really inflict any kind of damage.

It is far better TO GET OUT OF THE POSITION, then to waste time at low percentage moves, and it will always be that way.

Someone attempting offense from a bad position instead of defending would make it even easier for the guy up top. If you need any evidence of this, look at the first UFCs before they were sanctioned and became the rules now.

Check on the internet for various "No Rules" matches in which practioners attempt these cheap shots and get owned instead. Look at "John Marsh vs. Kung Fu" and see how quickly a guy going for John's eyes got his arm snapped.

There is a reason people do the things they do now, it is evolving and will continue to evolve. Ground and pound developed from the fact that wrestlers with a good base (i.e. not easily swept) were able to inflict damage on other ground fighters by merely avoiding submissions.

The mount position is powerful, I have used it in real fights on numerous occasions, it can be even more so when you use your knees in the biceps of your opponent and completely negate his ability to do anything. But any dominant position is great, because it is a dominant position.

Keep in mind that pain is normally just retaliated with pain. Meaning being hurt isn't going to force me to stop hurting you, it is going to make me hurt you more. Fighters are different, being hurt doesn't discourage me, it makes me furious.

When a guy does something cheap to me, I repay that two fold. Meaning you go for my eyes when I am in mount, I snap your arm, then rearrange your face with brutal elbows (which thanks to your broken arms, you are unable to stop), then maybe I control myself enough to not gouge out both of your eyes, and that is a pretty big maybe...

And talking about Pro fighters using the game to their advantage isn't the same. A fighter "forgetting" everything over a low blow has more to do with trying to get a point deducted and draw attention to the foul, then actually being hurt. (Hence the reason 10 seconds later they are ready to fight) If you need evidence as far as MMA wise what happens, take a look at Matt Hughes vs. Frank Trigg 2.

Trigg full on nails Hughes in the nuts, Hughes hams it up a little for the ref, ref doesn't see it, Trigg takes advantage to get Matt in a bad position, Matt furious at getting hit the balls, escapes a full on rear naked choke, carries Trigg across the ring, slams him in his own corner, then chokes him out.

That is more indicative of what happens when a superior fighter gets hurt and pissed off.

Anyway there is enough evidence anectdote wise, as well as various demonstrations on the internet that even in "no rules street fighting" type rulesets, good solid fighting trumps cheap shots everytime, and a professional fighter is going to be a better fighter than someone who isn't so.

Answer 6

I don't think a professional athlete whose body was the finely honed and well earned machine of a martial artist would stoop to playing "Prison Rules".

However, no, I would not mount someone in an anything goes fight.  Legs apart for hip control is a sport technique - on the street it is a "here are my cajones please attack them" technique.  And if you try to bite them from the mount, all you get is top of the scalp, but if they want to bite you, they can get all kinds of goodies.  Pinching and pressure points aren't going to effect a mix martial artist because they are to hard, to calloused, and too accustomed to pain.  Hurt to them is the equivalent of what a check engine light would be to you or me.

If I wanted to ground and pound on the street, I'd be a lot more inclined to go for side control than a mount.  That's what law enforcement and military folks do because they can't risk getting bit, stuck, or stabbed.

I'm with the Dave K, after attacking vulnerable spots, headbutting is a very highly effective dirty tactic.

Answer 7

Yes. For two reasons. Biting hurts but if a ufc fighter let me bite them all over for an hour then we fought he would still win and the guy on top is in better position to fight dirty.

Answer 8

NO! head butting can end a fight which would negate most of the stategy behind GNP.