In your opinion, is there a difference...?

Question

between allowing a dog to be registered , even if the coat colour is not accepted by the Parent breed club, and specifically breeding *for* that coat colour?

Answer 1

Well, in my breed, miniature schnauzer, the AKC recognizes three colors: black, black and silver, and salt and pepper. there are white pups born, but this is considered an abnormality. the pup can be registered with the AKC, but reputable breeders will not breed just to get the white, parti, liver, etc. type of colors. Specifically breeding, lets say, white to white, you will get only white pups. As I said, a reputable Mini Schnauzer breeder would not do this. But, never the less, it is being done and as long as the parents are registered AKC, the pups can be registered. You cannot show the colors that are not accepted by the AKC. my opinion: don't breed for specific coat color. the pup may be registered if not an accepted color, it cannot be shown.

EDIT: Kristen B brings up an excellent point: if the pups were on a limited registration, they couldn't breed them, and if they did, then those pups would not be able to be registered.

EDIT: schnauzer slave!!! omg, that is a new one to me! that is funny. my husband is always telling me to stop "slaving around for those dogs." i can't help it though. so, "schnauzer slave" is a proud title to wear!!!! lol and i also think the breeders that breed just for color are well, idiots to say the least.

Answer 2

Allowing them to be registered only ENCOURAGES specifically breeding.

They should be on limited registration, if offspring are produced, they are NOT allowed to be registered.  Should curb some of that desire to breed a "rare" dog.

Answer 3

I think there is a difference.  Lots of dogs are registered that have disqualifying faults.  I have a dog that did not have two teeth emerge - a disqualifying fault and yet she is registered (breeder registered her before I got her - I probably would not have bothered).

However these dogs should NEVER be bred and no legitimate breeder should ever breed a dog with a disqualifying color for any reason.  These dogs should be kept as pets and should be spayed or neutered.  But if someone has a dog with a flaw or a fault and wants to sell it as a purebred (which it is) I have no qualms with registering it to prove it - the breeder though should have a spay/neuter requirement in the sales contract.

Answer 4

You know what the difference is...I will tell you. I answered a question the other day that asked about culling dogs if they did not meet the standard..well, when you depend on someone else who may not have the best intentions at heart to NOT breed a "special" dog, because of color or whatever, you are also not helping the breed any.

Registering a dog has nothing to do with it..many people will but unregistered dogs and many more will breed them, but, when the subject of culling comes up, everyone freaks out and starts telling everyone else that a dog can be placed as a pet and blah, blah, blah!

People will breed, people will find something "special" about that dog, the color, or "colour" as you put it...the temperament that is so "sweet", whatever, and breed it.

Why not eliminate that possibility all together by culling?

Hope I helped!!

ADD:Oops...and how do these white dogs pop up again, Kip's mommy? Yes, I am LMFAO!!!!

Answer 5

If breeders do decide to register them as part of the litter then i would say they should hold back on passing the certificate until the dogs has been spayed/neutered and then they can have the cert if it means that much to them.

Then again the rules in Switzerland i know is that they can only keep a certain number of pups in a litter, think its 6, the others have to be culled, so they choose the ones they think at a young age don't meet the breed standard from what they see, basically markings and size.

They also test for temperaments and that they can't be used for breeding until they have passed the test. I think the KC has a long way to go( sorry going back to the BBC show here).

Answer 6

Yes.  Mismarks sometimes happen even when the breeder is as vigilant as possible.  But they should never be intentionally bred.  I would like to see the reputable registeries start registering the improperly colored offspring as automatic limited registration pups.  The UKC is a good place for responsibly bred puppies of improper color to show until the AKC parent club accepts them, IF they ever do.  That keeps the quality animals of unaccepted colors viably registered and in the gene pool.

Answer 7

I see no problem in registering them as they technically ARE purebred dogs. However, in a perfect world, I think they should be accepted with an asterisk so to speak. They get the papers, but also have to sign off saying the dog with be spayed or neutered. While it is acceptable to be recognized with registration papers, I don't condone breeding a dog with a fault EVER. Just my personal belief that a dog with a fault is not breeding stock. They can serve just fine as pets, but why breed a dog that cannot perform the task it was intended to do?

I know its a pipe dream, but I think that *IF* the registration clubs would impose some kind of regulation on breeding when registering a dog that is in fault with the breed standard, then we would be seeing some positive improvements. I just think it would help cure this disease of " My dog is AKC registered so he MUST be breeding quality!!!"

Will this ever happen? Not likely! =)

Answer 8

There is a HUGE difference!  There are very few dogs bred who meet the breed standard 100%.  No matter how much care is put into a litter, there will always be some minor flaws in the puppies that are born.  It's just the nature of the beast.  If a kennel club allowed ONLY those dogs that met the breed standard 100% to be registered- there might be 3 dogs registered with the AKC.  Not in each breed- in all breeds put together.  So, the majority of dogs will have flaws- some will have larger flaws than others.

Now, to breed specifically for a fault, such as coat color, is (to me) no different than breed for dogs with other faults- like poodles have problems with straight shoulders- to breed specifically for straight shoulders is irresponsible.  To breed dogs who have hip dysplasia, on purpose, is irresponsible.  

People who breed for things such as "White GSD's" or "White Schnauzers", etc.- are doing so because they think they can claim they are "rare" and sell them for more money.  It's usually not done responsibly.  Because of that, I have a huge problem with it.