Inspired by Tweety:Why do you think 'Qadianis' are Muslims?

Question

Islamic answers only Please.

Provide proofs with the Quran and Hadith.

[ by an Islamic answer, I dont mean answers like 'Allah is the only judge, 'we cant decide anything' etc

Its not an 'Islamic answer" Its an ignorant answer.U will hear it only from those who cant debate, cant defend themselves and of course those whose knowledge of Islam is " limited".]

Answer 1

Inspired by me?

Aaaw :P

Answer 2

well,i don't think they r,and please everybody knows that Allah is the only judge.......BUT also he gave us minds to think with!

they don't believe that Mohammad is the last prophet,or that Jesus died,or that h**l is eternal etc etc....and that is denying quran,They say that there is no Qur’aan other than what the “Promised Messiah” (Ghulam Ahmad) brought, and no hadeeth except what is in accordance with his teachings, and no Prophet except under the leadership of Ghulam Ahmad,and last time i checked believing in Allah's book is a must to be a muslim,and a mu'min.

Mizra said that God is English(because he talks to him in English),and fasts, prays, sleeps, wakes up, writes, makes mistakes and has intercourse – exalted be Allah far above all that they say....if that is not kufr,what would be?

Answer 3

What do we call those clearly deny verses of Holy Quran and deny the sayings of our beloved Prophet (pbuh). It is indeed Kufr.

Surely Allah will judge between all on the day of judgment. He has informed us the criteria for His judgment. He will judge between Jews and Christians and so do with all. He declared those who took Jesus Christ for trinity are in Kufr. So our way is made clear between Imaan and Kufr. If we doubt about a plain Kufr is also Kufr.  Everyone will be judged according to their belief and actions. Ahmediyya and those who believe in any other false Prophets beside the last Prophet (pbuh) is in Kufr (dis-belief).

"The tribe of Israel was guided by prophets. When a prophet passed away, another succeeded him. But NO PROPHET will come after me; only caliphs will succeed me." (Sahih Bukhari)

"The Hour will not come ... until nearly thirty "dajjals" (liars) appear, each one claiming to be a messenger from Allah." (Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim)

In the sermon of our Beloved Prophet (pbuh) at Arafat, He said: O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Qur'an and my example, the Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray.

Answer 4

Well according to you they are. But to them they are Muslim. Who are you to judge by the way?  

Answer 5

Mr FTL ,go ask your schola ,if u find any scholar of shia ,who says Qadyanis r muslim ,Plz provide me the name and status of that scholar.

Same request i have  for all the sects of Islam

Plz find any scholar of yours and let me know If any body disagree to this

"QADYANIS R KAFIR '"

Or i can post the Fatawas of all ulma who says QADYANIS R KAFIR

Answer 6

Hi Qadianis/Ahmedis its me Mirza Ghulam Ahmed - the guy you claim is a Prophet. Im speaking to you from h**l where I will burn for all eternity for claiming that I was a Prophet after Muhammed (saw).

I beseech you not to follow me to eternal hellfire. I am not a Prophet. You must reject that I am a Prophet and accept Islam and that the Prophet Muhammed (sallAllahu alayhi waslaam) was the LAST FINAL prophet and messenger of Allah

Before Allah SWT send me to eternal h**l he caused me to die on the can with sh*t coming out of my mouth. Isnt that a sign enough for you people?

Answer 7

Brother, last time you said, "Allah is the judge" is a bull---- answer.  Now you're saying it is an "ignorant answer."  My dear brother, May Allah have mercy on you and always bless you with His light.

We are Muslims because we say with our full might:

La illah ha illallah Muhammadur rasoolullah

There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is His Messenger!

love for all, hatred for none

Answer 8

I dont think of Qadianis.. Only Allah (s.w.t) is to judge.. not us.

Answer 9

One who belives inone God and in the prophethood of Hazrat Muhammad stands initiated to Islam.He is not required to get verification from anyone else, particularly from those mullahs who consider themselves God and will say that we do not believe you because in your heart you believe otherwise.In the words of Holy Prophet Muhammad, One would tell him blankly that have you torn my heart and seen it?No mullah has come with the claim that God has told them Qadiani are not muslims except a few who met a shameful death after getting punishment from God for their lies.No now mullah musters the courage to attribute a lie to God.

Answer 10

I don't bother..

all i care for is my own fate!!!

Answer 11

dude, you and the rest of ur ahlul fitna (wahabis) troll around here thinking u know everything there is about Islam, if u have a problem with a certain indivduaul be man and email him face to face, dont get the rest of ur cult involved with ur fitna

so in conclusion...stfu, stop ur drama queen c**p, and let people believe what they want to beleive, and like FTL said Allah is the only judge like it or not

Answer 12

Those who said the kalma are muslims. Qadianis are not Muslims.

Answer 13

Islamically speaking why Ahmadis are muslims:

"The five pillars of Islam constitute our Creed. The Revelation of God viz., the Quran which we are commanded to hold firmly on, that indeed we hold firmly on. God be pleased with Umar: Like him we have the words 'sufficient unto us is the Book of God' constantly on our lips. In case of conflict and disagreement between the Hadith and the Quran we follow Hazrat Ayesha (God be pleased with her) and choose the Quran, especially in the historical texts treated by all schools as above abrogation. And we believe that there is no deity, no one worthy of worship, but only Almighty Allah that our Master Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa (peace and blessings of God be upon him), is His Rasul and Khatamal-Anbiya. And we believe that angels exist, that the resurrection of bodies after death is true, that the Day of Reckoning is also true, that Djanna and Gehenna are also true. We believe that every thing taught about these matters by the Holy Quran and the Holy Prophet is true. We believe that he who seeks to subtract an iota from this or to add an iota to this - the Shariah of Islam and also he who makes light of the statutes and practices of Islam is devoid of belief, a denier of Islam. We counsel our Jamaat to put true and sincere faith in the Holy Kalima, La Illaha Ill-Allah, Muhammad al-Rasul-Allah, to live and die by it, also to believe in all prophets and in all books, the truth of which is sanctioned by the Quran; to observe in letter and in spirit the Fasts, Prayers, Zakat and Pilgrimage and all prescriptions and prohibitions laid down by Almighty Allah and His Prophet. We counsel them in short that their belief should include all beliefs and all rules of conduct agreed upon unanimously by early Muslims, that is, all matters accepted as part of Islam by the consensus of Ahl-i-Sunna. There is no option. And we hold heaven and earth as witness that this is our creed and this is our faith. "

(Ayyamal Sulh pg. 86-87)

Can asker point out anything  un-Islamic here?

Answer 14

They are indeed kafir..

Those who says that Allah SW is the only judge!!!

are hindus kafir. Belief on finality of Prophethood is established by Quran and sunnah. If someone reject such established beliefs they are Kafir. By your logic if someone reject the existense of Allah, they too are not kafir??

Answer 15

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and the Qadiyani Sect

AUTHOR: Imaam Muhammad Naasir-ud-Deen Al-Albaanee

SOURCE: Al-‘Aqeedah At-Tahaawiyyah – Sharh wa Ta’leeq (pg. 39-40)

PRODUCED BY: Al-Ibaanah.com

The Prophet (sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) informed his ummah in many ahaadeeth, advising and cautioning them, that there would be many imposters (Dajjaaleen) after him. In some narrations, he (sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said: “Everyone will claim to be a prophet, whereas I am the seal of the prophets – there being no prophet after me.” [Reported by Muslim and others; See al-Ahaadeeth as-Saheehah: no. 1683]

Amongst these imposters was Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Al-Qadiyani who claimed prophethood for himself. He has followers spread throughout India, Germany, England and America. And they have masaajid which they use to misguide the Muslims. There were some individuals amongst them in Syria as well, but Allaah uprooted them and eradicated them.

They have many vile beliefs apart from their belief that prophethood continued after Muhammad (sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam). The one who preceded them in this belief is Ibn ‘Arabee, the Sufi. They have authored a treatise on this subject in which they have collected statements from him that serve as support for this afore-mentioned belief of theirs. And the mashaayikh were not able to refute it because it was from that which Ibn ‘Arabee said (!!) even though they asserted with certainty that they were disbelievers. There is no room to mention their beliefs here.

No doubt they are the ones whom the Messenger of Allaah intended when he (sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said in the hadeeth that has been authentically reported from him: “There will be lying impostors during the Last Days that will bring you narrations, which neither you nor your forefathers heard of. So beware and let them beware, lest they misguide you and bring calamity upon you.” [Reported by the author (i.e. At-Tahaawee) in Mushkil-ul-Athaar (4/104). It is also found in Saheeh Muslim (1/9)]

From their most distinguishing signs is that when they begin speaking about their Call (i.e. beliefs), before everything, they start out with affirming the death of ‘Eesaa (Jesus). When they are able to accomplish this – according to their perception – they proceed onto the next level, which involves mentioning the ahaadeeth that talk about the descent of ‘Eesaa, and make it clear that that they believe in these narrations. However, they then quickly move on to distorting their meanings by claiming that what is meant by them is the descent of someone similar to ‘Eesaa (Jesus), since they have already established and confirmed – according to their views – that ‘Eesaa (Jesus) died. So they claim that this person was Ghulam Ahmad Al-Qadiyani!

They have many, many other examples of distorting texts similar to this, which leads us to believe that they are a group from amongst the heretical Baatinees. We will point out some of their deviant beliefs soon by the Will of Allaah.

From the misguided beliefs of the Qadiyanis is that they reject the Jinn as being a creation apart from mankind. So they distort the apparent meaning of all the ayaat and ahaadeeth that clearly prove their existence and their distinction from mankind amongst creation, instead claiming that these texts refer to humans themselves or a specific group from amongst mankind. This is even the case with Iblees (i.e. the Devil) himself as they allege that he was a human being that was evil! So how misguided they are!!

Published: January 31, 2006

Answer 16

@FTL?

boarther FTL , do you know about Qaudanis people or no, they are Kaffirs!!!

Answer 17

Allah is the only Judge, like it or not.

And to Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth. He forgives whomsoever He pleases and punishes whomsoever He pleases, and Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful. (Quran 3:129)

Edit: Brother use your energy on something that will benefit us, instead of sending takfir on this or that group, don't we have enough problems as a Ummah. Let us stop blaming others for our problems, when Allah himself said, if you want change you must change from the inside out, not the other way round, you have insulted our shia sisters here many times, is that the Islam you want us to join, no thanks, i would rather follow a Qadiani then whatever you practice, i don't mean to insult, just wake you up maybe.

Edit: Otherside, i am giving my opinion, even if all scholars in the world say what they say. That does not make them right.