Is equality a right or only equal opportunity?

Question

Often on these boards, gender discrimination is demonstrated with outcomes instead of opportunity. For instance, when "proving" that there is gender discrimination in the workforce, stats on how much less women are paid are presented. However, it is rarely discussed and almost never shown exactly which part of an employers policy is biased against women. I contend that high levels of success in any part of a persons life will occur to the detriment of other parts of that person's life. What I am saying is that if you want to truly dominate the business world, you will likely have to discard any notions of a family or children. How many successful men have children who either hate or don't know them? So in a round about way, my question is this; Do women have a right to be equal or simply a right to equal opportunity? And how do you feel your answer to this question affects your position on feminism?

Answer 1

Equal opportunity is fair..

Equal outcome not gained by equal opportunity is unfair.

Equality is just a gauge not a reason

The trouble is equal opportunities almost never lead to equal outcomes so feminists focus on the inequalities to justify their existence. There could be inequities (unfairness) but that's a much more contentious issue for them to deal with so they keep saying equality since everyone has their own ideas about what "brand" of equality suits them

edit @ bamboo: I assume you mean equal pay for equal work since that is equitable (fair). You don't just mean equal pay since that's equal for its own sake and known as communism

Answer 2

I think we need to look at equality as a whole! We are ALL looking at it wrong. We need to look at the equality between us and the elite, not just us!

Answer 3

Equal opportunity.  Equality would mean forcing people to do things they do not want in order to achieve sameness amongst all....aka communism.

I am an Equalist.  I think men and women should be have legal equality (which includes equal outcomes in court cases) and have the ability of choice with the exception to causing mental, emotional, physical, sexual, etc. harm or abuse to themselves or others.

Answer 4

Equal opportunity is a right; what happens after that is a result of effort.

Also, if you have to discard a family to dominate the business world, why are Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, and Donald Trump all married with children?

Answer 5

Methods that will offer opportunity for gender equality are being created.  Gender discrimination is an insidious activity that continues to prevent equal consideration of gender for the available employment for candidates from both genders.  Because construction of high rise buildings use iron components, these positions are truly male necessary.  Its a simple matter of physical ability.  Truck drivers continue to display an increasing number of females.  Earth moving equipment, also are showing increasing female employees.  I believe females are not qualified for certain work.  The crab boats that fish for king crab, and opilio crab.  It requires a lot of strength.  However, the fishing boats that fish for fish do not require superior physical strength in the cleaning line.  Good judgement is the best independent variable when candidates are considered.  Females are now responsible for the support of their children as much as males.  They deserve equal pay.  Yes women have the right to equal opportunity for positions they qualify for the physical needs of the position.

Answer 6

It is generally expected that a man in order to provide for his family will make the necessary sacrifices in order to provide for his family. The same cannot be said of women who frequently become pregnant while they are working and may require an extended leave of absence, possibly during a critical time in the business cycle thus rendering them slightly less reliable. Often the most talented women are encouraged not to have a family in order to get ahead- a sad reality of ambition. Should women have an equal opportunity, yes. Are they equal in every way, no. A man in general has the advantage of having more free time once he has done his duty as it were. I once worked for a gal who made a million dollars a year as a broker and when she became pregnant, since she was so successful her leave of absence, a mere week was understood as being a form of bonus as she explained it to me without any bitterness.

Answer 7

Every person has the right to equal opprotunity not equal outcome.

I don't care if the person is male or female balck or white natural citizen or immigrant they all have a right to the opprotunity to better themselves.

Demanding equal outcome just makes it so one group has to work harder than another to get the same outcome.

If feminists want true equality then they have to sacrifice the same as a man does.