Is it just me or does Hillary's healthcare plan seem like it will bankrupt the country?

Question

At least Obama is REDUCING the cost of Health care massively. It will result in a lower tax hike. The insurance companies will benefit less. Hillary on the other hand will increase tax massively, plus the unemployed and people living on welfare will have no motive to get jobs.

She uses the excuse of hidden expenses and fear to promote her plan. However, the only people that will truly benefit from this plan is the government(through fines) and the health companies. The poor will get poorer, and the rich will be fine. Hard working Americans will suffer. Hillary's plan is worse than Canada's plan.

Answer 1

Hillary's plan is NOT good, that is true, because she is forcing people to pay blood money to insurers who have hijacked the marketplace, set prices, and routinely deny legit claims:

When 75% of the people who declare bankruptcy over medical bills ARE INSURED, then insurance is CLEARLY not the answer.

"Aldrich’s situation is "asinine" but increasingly common, said Dr. Deborah Thorne of Ohio University. Thorne, co-author of a widely quoted 2005 study that found medical bills contributed to nearly half of the 1.5 million personal bankruptcies filed in the U.S. each year, said that ratio has likely worsened since the data was gathered.

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Like Aldrich, Thorne said, three-quarters of the individuals in the study who declared bankruptcy because of health problems were insured. "

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20201807/

Linda Peeno, MD testified that SHE had often denied treatment JUST to save the insurance company money http://www.thenationalcoalition.org/DrPe...

Furthermore:

"the vast majority of health insurance policies are through for-profit stock companies. They are in the process of “shedding lives” as some term it when “undesirable” customers are lost through various means, including raising premiums and co-pays and decreasing benefits (Britt, “Health insurers getting bigger cut of medical dollars,” 15 October 2004, investors.com). That same Investors Business Daily article from 2004 noted the example of Anthem, another insurance company. They said the top five executives (not just the CEO) received an average of an 817 percent increase in compensation between 2000 and 2003. The CEO, for example, had his compensation go from $2.5 million to $25 million during that time period. About $21 million of that was in stock payouts, the article noted.

A 2006 article, “U.S. Health Insurance: More Market Domination, More CEO Compensation”

(hcrenewal.blogspot.com) notes that in 56 percent of 294 metropolitan areas one insurer “controls more than half the business in health maintenance organization and preferred provider networks underwriting." In addition to having the most enrollees, they also are the biggest purchasers of health care and set the price and coverage terms. “’The results is double-digit premium increases from 2001 and 2004—peaking with a 13.9 percent jump in 2003—soaring well above inflation and wages increases.’" Where is all that money going? The article quotes a Wall Street Journal article looking at the compensation of the CEO of UnitedHealth Group. His salary and bonus is $8 million annually. He has benefits such as the use of a private jet. He has stock-option fortunes worth $1.6 billion."

--Save America, Save the World by Cassandra Nathan pp. 127-128

"Insurance Companies Robbing Patients

Robbing patients to pay CEOs leads to unprecedented medical insurance corporation greed.

Thursday, January 3, 2008 8:52 AM

By: Michael Arnold Glueck & Robert J. Cihak, The Medicine Men"

http://www.newsmax.com/medicine_men/medi...

However, I fear Obama is too optimistic about his fixes. To date the only good plan I've seen that addresses the real problems is this one:

QUALITY, ACCESSIBLE, AFFORDABLE health care for all.

That means preventative care (physical with follow up). Real medication (no Medicare "donut holes" the really ill are ripped off again.) No bogus ridiculously low "caps" on needed medical procedures. No abuse of the ER. No paying for the silly with the sniffles to go to the doc for free. No more bankruptcies over medical bills. I want THIS plan that ends abuse of the taxpayer, takes the burden off employers, provides price transparency, and ends the rip-off of the US taxpayer at the hands of greedy insurance CEOs (which has been repeatedly documented).

http://www.booklocker.com/books/3068.htm...

Read the PDF, not the blurb, for the bulk of the plan. Book is searchable on Amazon.com

Cassandra Nathan's Save America, Save the World

Answer 2

Correct me if I'm wrong ... isn't Hillary's health care plan mandatory? This plan isn't free! Raise taxes and let us pay for it ... I don't need nor want her health care plan. Guess I'll be penalized for refusing. Heard her talking about some sort of mechanisms for collecting for this plan. Like coming out of your paychecks!! That's bull ... there's no need for a government controlled health care system. I know a lot of poor people. They all have Medicaid and/or Medicare. Government has too many fingers in the pie as it is.

Answer 3

We're already bankrupt for the most part. Almost 10 trillion in a national deficit sounds bankrupt to me. At least we still have our morals...wait..no..Bush killed that too.

Answer 4

No, it's not just you, this plan will seriously hurt our countries economy.

We need less government in our lives not more.

Answer 5

A. We are already bk'd.

B. Hillary's plan is after dealing with trying to do a plan like Obama's.  She realizes just what a powerful lobby the insurance industry is, and that if she doesn't include them as part of the debate, she won't get anything accomplished.

C.  Did you actually READ both of their plans or are you merely going off of talking points from any one of the non-news news sources in this country?

Are you Canadian?  If not, not sure that you included why you think Canada's plan is worse than our current plan?

If you people think that being able to not have to wait a few days or weeks longer to see a dr. is better than having 50-60 million people uninsured-than I worry about what kind of a person you are to begin with.

EVERYONE does better when EVERYONE does better.

Answer 6

Most employers will be paying your insurance and the fines are for those with enough income to pay that refuse.  Low income has access care and there will be discounts whether with vouchers or just lower fees for health insurance by income.  The idea is everyone pays even when they don't need insurance to use immediately.  The idea of insurance is to have a collective fund that gains interest until someone in the system needs help and then the claim goes through and is paid from the fund.  The fund is invested to gain interest to allow it to grow and also new premiums continue to go in after expenses of bill management including payouts and contracts for participation from providers and insured are negotiated.  The idea of it is to save a few from a fund of many a little at a time.  This is basic insurance.  A person can pick up insurance for dental, eyeglass, elective surgery etc. besides.  They also can buy insurance for payment of lost wages if ill etc.  This is the competition still left and markets change, they never completely die.Right now you are controlled by monopoly companies that have HMOs which do not allow you to get care out of a system thus eliminating a second opinion.  So much for freedom.

Answer 7

The 2005 actual expenses for Health Care for its citizens is below. Since that time the costs have gone up, however, numbers after 2005 are estimates and actual costs are not available.

Healthcare for the poor- 250 Billion

Healthcare for the Elderly- 298 Billion

Veterans Benefits- 70 Billion

That is about 3/4 of a trillion dollars that we are spending to provide health care just for veterans, the elderly, and the poor. This does not include any housing, food, etc. that the government gives to them.

What if we began providing Health care for everyone in the United States?



Either a massive increase in taxes to cover a jump of about another trillion dollars in government Healthcare budgets, or bankruptcy, or government rationing is inevitable!!!

Answer 8

It doesn't matter... there is nothing left after Bush has destroyed the economy of the U.S. anyway.

Answer 9

She set up her health care plan in New York state and we now have people with health care that did not have it before!  Pregnant women now get prenatal care where they did not before.  This has NOT bankrupted New York state!!!  It has actually made things a little better in this state.  Ya might want to do research prior to posting a statement like this.

Answer 10

There should be NO national health care plan paid for by the goverenment. The USA is not a welfare state.

Answer 11

either way were screwed

Answer 12

As much of a hard *** Senator Clinton is, if her healthcare plan was on point it would have passed a long time ago.

She does the best she can based on inadequate and soon to be obsolete thinking.  I'ts so sad to see how thirsty for power she is, but her time in the White House has come and gone.  Bye Billary!!

Answer 13

health care is a good idea and if you spent more time figuring out how to make it work maybe it will