Is "fair pay" a communist/socialist concept ? Shouldnt "fair pay" be what you sign up to work for and thats it

Question

just another man communism was all about equalism.

Answer 1

I don't begrudge Kobe Bryant for the amount of money he makes. I think the amount he makes as well as other athletes is excessive but people are willing to pay him because he's the best at what he does and people pay to see him play. It's not fair that barely educated athletes often make thousands of times the amount of money that highly skilled and educated individuals make but it's not the fault of the athletes themselves.

Answer 2

1.) Is a socialist notion a bad thing? Half the people on here probably only got educated past basic literacy because of socialist reforms in the past.

2.) People who do the same job should be paid the same amount... within a company, obviously, and there are levels of responsibility too. It's discrimination of someone offers you sum X and not sum Y *just* because of your gender. It's not a tricky issue - imagine how you'd feel in that position. You have to work to continue to eat and things, but you earn less because of one chromosone? It's no more ridiculous than minimum wage laws, working hours laws, child labour laws, etc...

Answer 3

These people are tiresome meddlers who are forever looking for things that aren't broken that need fixing.  With the plight of so many people in this world who could use help, instead they focus on remaking an economy they do not understand.  I think it is due to a desire to make changes without actually improving anything.

Answer 4

What feminists are talking about is the discrenpancy of salaries between men and women in the same field. They are working the same job and have the same qualifications yet the man makes more. This is what feminists are talking about. Of course, the athletes need a major pay cut as well as movie stars. I find it disturbing that some who answer assume all women major in gender studies. LOL. Many colleges don't even have those degrees, these people need to get out more.

Answer 5

"Is "fair pay" a communist/socialist concept?"

Socialist, but not communist.

For many supporters of socialism, "socialism" means that the workers control the means of production, while "capitalism" means another class controls the means of production.

For most socialists, communism (small-c) refers to those forms of socialism which do away with money and paired exchange in favor of free access to goods and unpaired exchange. Marxists expect to create communism during the "withering away of the state." Anarchocommunists propose to create voluntary communism (alongside voluntary collectivism, voluntary mutualism, etc.).

Since communism doesn't involve money, it doesn't involve pay. The other forms of socialism involve pay with different standards of fairness, some based on agreements among the parties involved, and some based on outside standards.

Historically, supporters of socialism have varied from opponents of the state (like Proudhon or Bakunin) to supporters of it (like Engels), as well as from supporters of completely free markets (like Proudhon or Tucker) to supporters of planned economies (like Marx) to supporters of free access to common means of production (like Kropotkin).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forms_of_so...

http://porkupineblog.blogspot.com/2006/0...

I am a mutualist and syndicalist anarchist. I am a socialist who supports both free markets and labor unions, independent from any state.

"Shouldnt "fair pay" be what you sign up to work for and thats it?"

I would agree, *if* we had a free market and other voluntary mutual aid. But we don't. "Your money or your life!" is not a free contract, and $10.00/hr is not either.

Some libertarian essays on the issue:

http://www.libertarian.co.uk/lapubs/econ...

http://www.bradspangler.com/blog/archive...

http://www.bradspangler.com/blog/archive...

Answer 6

Capitalism is based on offer and demand.

Offer and demand are based on perceived value (which is seldom the same as the real value).

A person that negotiate better have a greater chance to show a greater perceived value.

A person who is a golf buddy of the boss is already perceived of a greater value.

A person who is good a lying also have a greater chance to show a greater perceived value.

Capitalism is unjust, but its the system we have so we need to deal with it. Personally I would prefer a Technocratic system where the value of goods is based on the energy it took to make the good and not in market perception or speculation. This aply to work also. A S****y job would actually earn you more money than just be on air conditioned office answering question in YA while looking busy.

IMBO: People should be paid for the amount and quality of their work. Not on perceived value. Problem is that there are things that are not measurable, so its impossible to do so. And this fact will continue to be abused over and over.

BTW: The ones that make more money are not the workers, but the speculators. 85% of all money made in the USA is not make from factories, stores or services, but from market speculation.

Answer 7

who says all positions should have the same entry level pay?

currently i am applying for jobs on a scale of say £25-£30k and there is no way I would accept £25k given my experience

i will have to negotiate for higher than £25k but that's just how the world works.

And given that I have a maths degree (80% of my graduating class were male) I am in a better position to negotiate

if you chose to do female studies degree don't whine when employers pay you basic salaries.

funnygal: but what about levels of soft skills? communications skills, presentation skills, negotiating skills? these things are all valued by companies and who is to say abilities don't vary by gender? Certainly if you have two people doing my job, and one has an arts degree and one has a BSc, all else being equal the one with the BSc will earn a few thousand more (and will more likely be male).

Answer 8

Why on earth would she want to honor a contract when she can sue or protest and get even more ??

Answer 9

That's because they're in completely different fields. Though, I must say, all professional athletes need a major pay cut.

Now, suppose you had two people in the same field, with the same title, going into the job with the same qualifications, having the same seniority, producing the same output, and experiencing the same amount (or lack) of s***w-ups. What excuse could there possibly be for paying one of these people less than the other?

Answer 10

I hear what you are saying. I would describe it one word, JEALOUSY.  People have an innate tendency to covet what they see. Humans are built with an insatiable appetite that can never be completely met. For some reason, and I'm not sure why, women appear more jealous than men. I'm not saying men aren't jealous individuals, I'm just saying they seem to have more control over their feelings.

Answer 11

Duh!  Fair pay and equal pay are about equivalent jobs.  Kobe Bryant and the doctor don't have equivalent job, don't have the same type of skills or training, so there's no reason to pay them the same.

There are a lot of jobs that are identical where women still get paid less than men for doing the same work.  Paying men and women the same salary for the same work is what equal pay is about.

Fair pay means that two people doing similar types of work, and with similar levels of education should be paid similar salaries.  So, if you work for a construction company driving a backhoe to dig up and repair road, you should be paid roughly the same amount of money as a guy driving a backhoe to dig holes for swimming pool installations.  Get it?

Answer 12

Yes it is.

It's ridiculous trying to secure "equal outcome" in a supposedly free market.

Feminists want parity in all areas between men and women even if they have to destroy the free market in the process.

Women choose careers that pay less.

Women work fewer hours.

Women negotiate for lower salaries.

THAT's why they make less.  The big "wage gap discrimination" myth is another way feminists are hoodwinking the public into passing another law granting women special advantages.

Our country will not put up with this much longer.

It's getting harder and harder to sell "victimhood" when everything is slated in your favor.

Answer 13

(1) Is "fair pay" a communist/socialist concept?

Yes it is.  A capitalist concept is that one should pay based on the demand and supply situation of the service rendered.  Fair pay means pay based on the value of the service rendered.  

(2)How can you sign up to work for X and then go around that you are being discriminated against for agreeing to do stuff for the sum X ?

The demand and supply of a particular service can change drastically.  One can find a lot of people ready to work the same job one is doing for a little less pay due to various circumstances they are in.  For example, if I desperately need money to save the life of my only child, I will be ready to sign up for slavery.

(3) "communism was all about equalism"

Communism was all about taking out the "exploitation" of a person based on social and personal conditions and sharing of common resources in an equal way among the human beings.  An example of communism in a capitalist world is the highway.  Nobody own the road, everybody use it, you cant demarcate a big portion of road only for your private use how much ever you are ready to pay for it.  Everybody travel using roads and the system is running smooth.  Dont be afraid of communism.  It works fine.

(4) How can a movie star get paid such large amounts where as a surgeon can only make so much?

A movie star gives you entertainment worth the ticket you paid for.  Add up the services rendered to all people and they get a big amount.  Movie star delivered services to each of the viewers and got only payment worth the entertainment delivered from each of them.  A doctor did his great service for one person and that one person gave him equal pay for what service was rendered to him.

I dont understand the original question about feminists and stuff.  I am anti feminist and learning english.  So I will write the rest of the answer when I can comprehend the question.