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Is the Christian message "believe in me or suffer the consequences"?

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How can the Christians deny that's what is all about?

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  1. easily.....................because you are looking at things backwards

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    ok God creates Adam and Eve in His own image of rightousness and holiness and desires fellowship with them...but what is fellowship if you are a robot?...so God gives man a free will...then man sins the first sin and spiritual laws are broken which make it so that God and man can not fellowship in true rightousness and holiness.....

    so because God is a rightous and loving God He shows man a way back to Him but if you in your free will do not chose whats right and good then you must  chose you own sinfull way you are in.....

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    .every seed will multiply after its own kind.....thats a spiritual law of creation...ie: a seed of a pine tree grows a tree with thousands of like seeds...a cat will produce cats etc etc so also in the spirit...what ever state you die in that will also multiply eternally....those who reject Gods salvation multiply with their sinfulfull nature which equals h**l everlasting...but those who are engrafted in the seed of Christ's life shall inheit heaven everlasting


  2. It's a little worse than that.

    "You are a sinful person because of what two idiots did a long time ago that condemned the rest of humanity.  Believe in me or suffer the consequences."

    Isn't that a very weak position?  To present stories and fables and demand people to believe them or they're going to suffer some cruel fate.

    Here is the scripture you were probably looking for.

    Luke 19:26-27

    “For I say unto you.  That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he shall be taken away from him.  But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me”.

    Jesus said this??!!  You gotta be kidding me!

    Aside from the h**l part.

  3. That's about what it is, but they will tell you that it's the height of arrogance to assume that stance because you as a sinner are rejecting your sinless creator who gave you life and is more moral than you (because he said so).

    Why believing without any evidence at all is considered the most critical part of the Christian belief system is beyond me (and especially ironic given that we are told that God gave us the ability to reason), but the requirement for it as well as the message of h**l has clearly proven effective in the rise of the religion.

    Also, they will tell you God loves you, but what kind of a merciful and loving creator creates not only sin itself, but the possibility for his creation to fall into it? And did you know that something is a sin only because God says it is, and not because any particular action or occurrence is good or bad? The evidence lies in God changing his position on incest in the OT. The God of Christianity has some serious issues.

  4. Actually, the Christian message is God loves everyone and offers each person the gift of eternal life through Jesus Christ.  Will you receive the gift, or will you rebel and choose to be godless, later rewarded with a godless eternity.  

    What is there about h**l that you like?  Is it the pain, the suffering, the darkness, the loneliness?  I say h**l, don't go there.

  5. In a sense, yes, if you want to be blunt about it.  I'll admit it does seem a bit harsh.  But as a Christian you begin to drop the ego, get humble and say, ok look, I have human limitations, and there are just some things that I can't figure out on my own.  There are weakness that I have and external stimulants to try to fix my internal problems.  You begin to get over yourself and your "I-gotta-be-right" mentality.  You realize that "God-loves-me" isn't just a cliche, but it's real.  And you begin to see the manifestation in your homes, in your family and your relationships.  You begin to see your environment change for the better.  Because you let go of your human emotions, limitations, sufferinigs, and you cast your cares on God.  Because He cares for you.  We've gotten so high-minded in our thinking, so selfish and so misguided due to media, to movies, to other external influences, that we don't realize what love is anymore.  And when you read the Bible you'll discover what love in fact truly is.  And then God loves me, takes on a whole new meaning.  The Bible says, "God is a rewarder to them that diligently seek Him."  "If any man, knocks on the door it will be opened unto them."  But you've got to want Him...you've got to want something greater than yourself, greater than your environment, greater than global warming, than terrorism, than greed, bitterness, pride, greater than hurricane Katrina or Gustave.  

    I'm tellin you...you can ignore, you can say, oh those stupid Christians, say whatever you want to, but when the world comes to an end AND IT WILL, who's gonna have a peace that passes all understanding, who's gonna be content with what they have, who's gonna be able to stand when everyone else is going crazy?  Christ in me.

  6. cause "goddidit"

  7. Yes.If you die without Jesus Christ you will end up in h**l

    http://www.needGod.com  

  8. No. It's believe in me and live in eternal glory forever! However we are each free to turn down that offer and suffer the consequences.

  9. Frankly, YES.

  10. helll tteayah thats the whole point dudH!

    haha nah dont be osm nean to hthem they oviously have enugo problems haha or else they would;n't be chritsians!


  11. That's just your fear-based rendition of it.  You people talk about fear and h**l more than any Christian.

    ... ever think some worship and believe in God because his ways are just better and make more sense to the heart and mind, than anything you have to offer....

  12. No the Christian message is that God loves us enough to want to save us from the consequences of our behavior.

  13. no its called freedom of choice " but always remember this we all" have to die someday, That's Jesus message their is a h**l and a heaven Satan is from h**l and Jesus is sent from heaven to save us and satan to destroy us. A lame person thinks like this knowing this information , and still denys "Our Lord and His wisdom. the way you think is the same dang way "SATAN THOUGHT" that's why he is in h**l.... Gods grace is with us all Have a beautiful day ....That is why I pray for "all " people ....

  14. the message is not believe or suffer the consequences, its believe so you can be saved. the consequences are there whether we like it or not, but we can believe and spend eternity with God. and He sent Jesus because He loves us and didn't want us to have to suffer. =]

  15. I like Malachi 2:3

    If you fail to give glory to my name...I will corrupt your seed and spread dung upon your faces.

  16. You left off the God Bless You. How can you threaten someone with eternal Hellfire and not follow it up with a little "warm fuzzy"?

    When you say it that way, it just sounds silly ;).  

  17. No. "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved, you and your household."

  18. No. Everyone  is going to suffer the consequences, but God offers the way of escape through Jesus.

  19. Actually the message is more like, "You have been blinded and are about to run off of a cliff. Please stop before you die"
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