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Is the one who seeks the stillness also the one who finds the stillness?

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The me that seeks stillness, seeks peace, seeks love, seeks to be in the moment, seeks knowingness seeks silence and seeks unity with the Divine - who is this me? Is it the same me that realizes any of these? Does this me cease to exist (temporarily) once I remember my stillness, peace, love etc. Does remembering our true nature require a forgetting of the seeker first?

What do you think? Thank you for your thoughts.

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  1. Yes I think it is the person who desires these things who gets them, but you need to be an intelligent being to discover how to make people like you and be contented.  Our minds need to be fulfilled before we can appreciate our souls so fulfill your basic desires first.  For unconditional love,  a job you are passionate about etc. before being spiritual


  2. The seeker shouldn't be

    forgotten.  No matter

    what life's journey brings.

    Rich, poor, the seeker

    remains.  It's just not

    as active, sometimes.

  3. No.  You don't always find that which you seek.  Sometimes the true value is in the quest.

  4. Can you coax your mind from its wandering

    and keep to the original oneness?

    Can you let your body become

    supple as a newborn child's?

    Can you cleanse your inner vision

    until you see nothing but the light?

    Can you love people and lead them

    without imposing your will?

    Can you deal with the most vital matters

    by letting events take their course?

    Can you step back from you own mind

    and thus understand all things?

  5. I might be missing the point of your question so just let this go if it doesn't make sense. If I am seeking something I am in a constant need, desire, want of it...If I accept I have it, then I do. So I AM,,,I AM peace...I AM still...I AM love...you have to be the change you want to see.

  6. In Zen it is taught that if you seek Illumination in silence it hides in noise and clamor; if you seek it in stillness it hides in chaos.  This, I believe, is speaking in terms of the dualistic mind.  

    The 'me' that is doing the seeking is consciousness seeking it source.  The inner and outer ways are one in the same.  Divinity is omnipresent and doesn't discriminate with a judgmental eye.  Retreat back into yourself and view everything with a non-attached eye.  The practice of viewing as if on a bridge watching the stream or river below flow continuously helps.  Be like an audience member watching a movie on a screen.

  7. The seeker of stillness, peace, living in the moment, and seeker of love uniting with the Divine is the "you" who finally lets go of control and embraces the Yin and Yang of this world.

    The other "you" of this world is caught off guard by sudden unexpected distractions where as the "seeker" is pushed aside, but only temporarily.  The "seeker" doesn't stop, but the "worldly you" overpowers the "seeker" during these times of distraction whether it is good or bad.

    I understand.

  8. that is like water searching for water when it is the water. or a dog chasing its tail



    seeking involves moving. if it is stillnes you want then just stop seeking.

    the stillness IS. let go of your ego and mind.

    try getting these books too.. allen watts - way of zen, lao tzu - tao te ching

  9. when you seek, aren't you moving toward something, whether it's peace, love...? i don't think you seek stillness to find stillness. you are still and that's it. remembering your true nature means forgetting everything.

  10. In mind there is concious aspect and the dynamic aspect.

    When the dynamic aspect dominate the function of the

    mind there is restlessness and there is desire for stillness.

    Dynamic aspect of the mind is thought.If we change our

    way of life in such a way that thought activty is under control

    there is possibility of stilling of thought occuring spontaneously,then only conscious aspect of mind remains

    like a tranquil lake without thought disturbance.

  11. There is no stillness. The best one can strive for is consistency with reality, rather than delusion.

  12. It is said that we can never "know" the seeker, so forgetting who that is should be rather easy.

    Like the obligation to pray, the obligation to seek stillness offers powerful incentives as a result of practicing. (neither has anything to do with religion by the way).

    In the end, self and seeker do not exist  . . . .and in that same end, stillness is the answer.

  13. Running water is unclear.

    Only when water is still can the true reflection be seen.

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