Is the opposite of feminism, being submissive

Question

I have noticed plenty of questions and answers basically state a non-feminist female equates to being submissive. How do feminist come up with that logic?.

Answer 1

No. I've noticed that it's feminists that are submissive in courtship.

It's non-feminists who have standards when it comes to men. They do the choosing.

Feminists put themselves at in the man's position it seems, he sits back and waits for her to choose him. They give themselves easily to these men who don't need to chase them at all.

Answer 2

It's all that Master / Slave morality filth that corrupts natural and more beneficial alignments of leader and follower.  For example, my Will is fully intact but eager to submit to leadership, like Spock on Star Trek, not in "sumbission" but in earned respect for a true leader, such as Capt. Kirk, a dedication to a good vision worth following and supporting, one that is about "fairness" and justice for all rather than in forced or "expected" submission to self-serving demi-gods and demi-god wannabes.  Only with a true leader do I then submit and apply MY Will to the max to support that leader's vision.  

True leadership is not about the submission and consumption of the Will of others but the just marshalling and empowerment of the many Wills into non-self-serving sustainable constructions, which takes more honor and hard-work than mere slavery or ingrained "roles" of submissiveness. The problem with the Master / Slave moralities of established "roles" of "superior" Master and submissive "inferior" Slave is that the rise of people then is dependent upon the exploited energy of others kept down and "farmed".  I "submit" or support only those who can rise honorably within themselves and who do not "expect" that I surrender my own Will to support them and whose vision includes the empowerment rather than exploitation and consumption of other people.  

People who cannot enjoy s*x or courtship without Master / Slave expectations, unless the man is dominate and the female is submissive, are emotionally incomplete and feeble in their own Wills.  It is much more honorable to do the hard work to rise within oneself on one's own efforts and so truly earn the support of others who are not hobbled with Slave moralities but who are empowered and strong-willed themselves.  There is no logic or honor whatsoever in Master / Slave moralities.  They are mental, spiritual and pre-rational social diseases.

Answer 3

No one seems to agree with you Lotus.  It's nice to see that SOMEONE can see you're full of c**p....  But submission is not the opposite of feminism.  Humility and brains are.

Answer 4

The opposite of feminism is the belief that men should rule over women. Being submissive is a personality trait and an action. Feminism is a philosophy. Patriarchy (the philosophy and practice of) is the antithesis of feminism. Submission and its opposite, domination, are aspects of patriarchy which feminism, as a philosophy, analyzes and challenges.

In general, feminism posits that domination and submission are unnecessary and undesirable and feminism at its core seeks to abolish all hierarchies, which are by definition based on domination and submission. In this sense submission and domination are antithetical to feminism but not the opposite, per se. Domination and submission are simply aspects of hierarchy, which is the truest opposite of feminism.

Imposter H: You post a false dichotomy. The opposite of love is not hate, but indifference, likewise, the opposite of patriarchy is not matriarchy, but equality. It is striking that so many of us cannot contemplate equality and believe that it is impossible. We have been conditioned to think that our only alternatives are to dominate or be dominated. This fundamentally limits all of us in ways both small and large. It is precisely this false belief, that domination and submission are our only possibilities, that makes us so destructive, to ourselves, to each other, and to our planet.

Answer 5

The term "feminist" is tossed around so often, it has lost its meaning. Now it means something different to every one of us. To me feminist just means woman who wants equal rights with men, but for many it has become an insult. Some associate it with radical man-hating feminists. So, depending on your definition, a woman can be neither submissive nor feminist.

Answer 6

Men seem to think that a woman who has intelligence and speaks her mind must be a feminist.  But men want a submissive doormat so they equate that with being an anti-feminist.  I'll be wiping my feet on you.

Answer 7

No, liking men is the opposite of feminism.

Answer 8

You'd be hard-pressed to find a submissive feminist, but it's not impossible.

Answer 9

It's really simple actually.  Liberal modern Feminism sets the rules.  The rules are that modern Feminism is the only acceptable doctrine, i.e. hatred of men and most otherwise reasonable parts of life.

They don't want to say this; and they don't want to even believe this, but it's tragically self evident in the subtext of their writing and it doesn't take much to see right through it.

Anything that dares suggest that this hateful philosophy is wrong is deemed as non-compliance and is therefore a threat and any derogatory term will be used to disparage one who doesn't subscribe to this hate-driven ideology.

Now, the modern Feminism will use plenty of sweet-sounding rhetoric, but it's inconsistent with the truth.

Modern Feminists hate men and hate the women who find this an unacceptable doctrine, so they call such normal woman "submissive" or "traitors" or anything else, simply as a clear manifestation of hatred.

It's just that simple.

Adolf Hitler had choice words for the Jews, the KKK had choice words for those who have darker skin, and feminists have their own choice words.

Answer 10

First I want a full definition of what submission is!!

Answer 11

Max...there are not just two categories of women, feminists and non-feminists.  This has been discussed many times here.  The problem is that the women on this site have allowed the men to dictate what a feminist is, what they believe, what they do and who they are, with no consideration for individuality.  

I do not identify myself as a feminist, yet I am called one.  I would never call a "non-feminist woman" submissive.  These women are strong, dedicated and important and each different from the other, just as those who call themselves feminists are the same.

No...there is no opposite of feminism.  

There are women, some who do not wish to be involved with or support the male dictated definition of what feminism is in Yahoo Answers (which is general seems to be somewhere lower than a worm) but may support equal opportunity and choice.  

There are women who consider themselves radical feminists and in between there are the rest of us, just good, decent women trying to be the best we can be at whatever we do.

It is not the feminist who came up with the "if this, then this" logic, it is the men on YA.

ML

Answer 12

Im submissive, Im an equalist, not an anti feminist though I do think the liberating ideals of feminism have been sullied by extremist radicals. I do not think so. It is about choice as has been reiterated to the point of tautology here! If a woman chooses it fully informed of all options she is being quite an ebullient feminist contrarily..Okay power structures yada yada yada...What about our innate biologies and sexuality? I could never get any pleasure from a man that is weak ad enervated, I am turned on by his aggression, his masculinity, his authority...Do you know how unsatisfied, I would be with a man who looked up to me, who let me make decisions, ...I am sorry that is not equality to me, that is repressive to all I happen to be...Ostensibly equal yes, at my core, at my pleasure and psychological, emotional liberation, no it is not!

Appraise domination and submission a little more deeply and with a little more of an open mind!It does not always mean the woman cowers before her man.

Answer 13

No of course not; being submissive is a personality trait, feminism is a learned belief. You can submit to your partner whilst still holding a strong belief in equality within society.

I suppose that if a woman acts submissively because she believes that women should be inferior to men then she couldn't also be a feminist. But for most submissive people, it isn't like that at all; it's just the way we are, and we submit to an individual not to a gender.

I'm submissive to my boyfriend but I believe in equality and I'm glad that I can submit of my own free will.

Answer 14

No, I know many women who are strong and intelligent, but would prefer to be led than to lead.  Leadership and Assertiveness are traits.  Not everyone has these traits.  For this reason; sometimes even the most able of individuals will never be a leader and hence will always be submissive to others.  

BTW Lotus:  If the opposite of feminism is "men ruling over women" than logically you are saying that the feminist goal is for women to rule over men.  I thought that wasn't the point at all?

Lotus:  Logically the opposite of patriarchy IS matriarchy.  Inequality is not the opposite of equality for two reasons.  First, their are varying degrees of inequality.  At what point does it become the polar opposite?  Second, equality is subjective.  I know this because there are people on both sides (feminists and antis, men and women) who say the genders are equal and those on both sides who say they are not equal.  The opposite of white is black, the opposite of up is down and the opposite of oppressing is being oppressed.  I am well aware that equality of opportunity among the genders is possible.  I would even go so far as to say we're close.  I am equally well aware that homogenous equality of result is not very likely at all but will be the star-crossed measuring stick which will inevitably result in further social strife.

Answer 15

Uh, it's the anti-feminists who came up with that logic, not the feminists (at least, this feminist doesn't use that dichotomy, which seems silly).

Most of those who post to this category who reject feminism, claim that all women are by nature, and should live their lives, as submissive people. They're the ones I tend to see posting the bogus dichotomy.

In fact, people vary as to how submissive their personalities are. This has nothing to do with feminism (except insofar as the idea that all women should act submissive is anti-feminist).

It's perfectly consistent for a female with a submissive personality to be a feminist. Such a person would simply realize that not all women are submissive, or try to force all women to act as though they are.

How each person lives their lives is their business.