Is there a serious lack of discipline in this country?

Question

It starts off from a young age from what I can see.

I see kids at the supermarket who want treats/toys - parents say no and the kids shout and scream until they get it.

When they refuse to go to school, the parents blame the school for it. They let them smoke/drink/have s*x in the house when they're underage, as it's "better they do it somewhere safe". What a great message to send to the children!

And when the little darlings commit crime, the mothers stick up for them like they're innocent of all wrong doing!

And now because parents can't control what their kids eat, it's proposed they have surgery on their kids!

Why don't we just spoonfeed this society of spoilt parents and kids?

Answer 1

Absolutely, but let's not forget that today's generation of outwardly respectable, well-behaved old age pensioners gave us razor gangs, mods'n'rockers riots, the Kray Twins, the Moors Murderers, Harry Roberts, LSD experimentation and the so-called 'permissive society'....

Dave S makes a very good point indeed, although, as far as I can see, Britain has never been a genteel, polite society (despite what rose-tinted TV c**p like 'Hearbeat' would like to pretend).  Look back through history, and you'll see that the good yeomen of England have been  p***ed-up, aggro-seeking, smash'n'grab nutters for centuries, but the likes of the Daily Mail would have us believe that things only went wrong with the invention of the hooded sweatshirt.

The kids of today can only be what we adults make them.

Answer 2

Yes I agree, when the option for teachers to punish children (corporal punishment) was removed attacks on teachers went off the scale!

Street violence is seen as a way of getting some 'street cred', the courts hand down meagre sentencing that is no deterrent to crime such as 'joy riding', assault, graffiti, theft and so on.

Parents allow their children to take days off from school just because they don't feel like going!

As for children being spoilt, it would seem that it is easier to 'give in' to a child than say no than have to put up with a little dissent.

Parents with young children today grew up in the 'Thatcher era' of selfishness and the ethos of me me me!

I am a great proponent of discipline, but I never raised a hand to my children once during their childhood.

Why you may ask, the answer? simple I grew up with discipline and started with my own children as babies, they are the same with theirs now.

The problem lays' with the parents, ........ the solution lays' with the parents.

Answer 3

All it takes with children, to be able to mold them in respectable human beings, is a little perseverance, but British parents don't seem to have the time of day for it any more. I firmly believe now that the majority of people have children because it's an ego/status thing, or they feel it can gloss over the problems in their life, and then in reality exacerbates them. Children from an early age know drastically too much. They see celebrities who have everything and want to be like them. Most adults are pretty bad for trying to live outside their means, but when you push that sort of culture on children it's a disaster. Everytime I see children's TV shows today they're concerned with greed and hyperactivity, there's no morality or reflection. Materlism is the greatest ailment in society today; because by definition a person loses touch with humanity, and consequently loses respect and empathy for others. If the changes aren't coming from the top, parents need to counter it. I accept that being a parent has become harder.

I know this may seem a little out their but I think this is of critical importance that children are taught about morality and the value of being humble at a young age. I don't think introducing ethical issues in to the class room at high school age works because for a lot of people their basic direction in life - whether they're a discriminator, a sharer, vain, caring, prone to addiction , whatever- is determined by a early puberty.

Answer 4

Today's attitude is a complete rejection of the past, which ws often unnecessarily harsh.In the old days, kids were spoken to like dogs, and treated as having no rights.  No the shoe is on the other foot.I don't like what is happening today - parents cajoke, bribe, encourage and persuade their children in some semblance of good behaviour.  It's exhausting.However, I don't want to return to the fities and sixties, either, where kids were whipped and beaten for no reason, and they were expected to be seen but not heard.I like to think I have struck a balance - my children are disciplined and well behaved.  Every year their teachers tell me what a pleasure they are and how proud I must be of them.  And if only all children were like them ...But I am a loving and kind parent, who has a close relationship with my children.We need to get the message across that having a child is a responsible decision and that it requires more effort than a lapse in birth control.  Too many needy women have children because of a lack of proper love in their own lives.  Children have rights - and the main one is the right to a loving, financially and emotionally stable home in which they can be properly brought up.

Answer 5

I think there is difference between discipline and culture,we the indians are adopting foreign culutue so all this  decline in the discipline is due to the foreign culture.

Answer 6

The problem is kids having kids. They need some spanking just like in the good ole days!

Answer 7

There is an extreme problem with this

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Just watch around you in a store for the child who will not keep his hands in his pocket wanting to buy something for him or herself

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And a temper tantrum erupts in the store

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Answer 8

You realise parents back in the 70's were saying the same thing.

On and in the 50's.

.....and in the 30's ...........

you get my drift.

Answer 9

There certainly is a severe discipline problem in the U.K. All the do-gooders over the years have managed to bring this country to its knees by stopping teachers and parents from having the power to discipline children. People then wonder why we have the problems we have.

I will tell you, ill disciplined children have grown up to become ill disciplined parents and are breeding more severely ill disciplined children. Once this has happened, this becomes the norm as the link with normality has been lost generations ago. Chaos then ensues. Have a nice day.

Answer 10

You have got it in one.

Answer 11

I totally agree. Kids get away with far too much these days. They should bring the cane back in primary and high schools. Also police should be more stricter on juveniles.

Televishion these days does not help, either.

Answer 12

yes

Answer 13

what planet are you on , don't blame the kids or the parents , its those f in do good-errs  all over the place , you cant smack them you cant name and shame them when they are under age you cant even give them the cane any more , stop this nanny state and vote for a party that has the ball to say stop

how long is it before the people in the street say enough is enough lets fight back and we start to see youngster getting beaten to a pulp of even killed by people fed up with there lack of respect for society .  if i saw  a person getting mugged or attacked i would get stuck in and when they were on the floor begging for mercy they would not get if from me i would make sure it was food through a straw for at least a month

Answer 14

your right & there is many reasons for it,some parents are just plain stupid & have little skills in understanding or applying disipline,another reason is parents have had so many rights taken away by the politically correct.I smack my boys on the bum if they are naughty & they know that when I say no I mean it,in my house Im the boss & they listen but Im not unreasonable with them & they know I love them & do everything I can for them & they respect me more for that.

there is a old jamaican saying

those who dont hear must feel.

my saying is in this house mummy rules,I rule & you go by my rules.

my boys are good though I dont have much trouble from them because I have been firm from day one.

and dont get me started on fat kids,it a form of abuse to feed your kids junk.

wishy washy parenting is not the way forward but sadly I see it myself everyday.

Answer 15

Indeed it is!

Answer 16

there is definately a lack of disipline. my mother was very strict with me. i turned out alright. however i look at even kids in mown family  with a dif upbringing were they were given more freedom  and material things and there more selfish now

Answer 17

I think it's true of most western civilizations.  But not all kids or parents are like that.  Parents do seem to have problems creating boundaries and that has to be a bad thing for kids - who LIKE boundaries even if they won't admit it.  The fact that kids seem to be given everything they want - except perhaps time - doesn't help.  And they are growing up in a world - in the UK anyway - where they won't be able to keep that lifestyle up.  Where they won't  be able to buy their own houses, stay home with their own children etc, etc.  I wouldn't like to be buying trainers for a 27 year old, still at home and no hope of them going!  They do say you reap what you sow - we'll see.

Answer 18

I AGREE WITH YOU

MY PARENTS WERE VERY STRICT AND IM THANKFUL FOR THAT!!!

Answer 19

I agree with you 120%.  I see the most apalling behaviour in supermarkets and in the street.

Answer 20

a big yes

Answer 21

I totally agree with you.Lack of discipline started when liberalism's "decided" that smacking a child was violence.Every child needs boundary's but unfortunately some parents cannot be bothered to do the job of parenting. Instead they blame others when things go wrong.

Answer 22

you are so right!

Answer 23

I agree 100%  For many parents it's because they grew up in a time where discipline was the norm, and they don't want to inflict that on their child.  It's cute when your child is 2 and wants their own way, when that said child turns 13 or even younger and tells you to go to h**l, it's no longer cute.  Kids today get away with way too much because no one says no to them.  It's not such a bad word.  My parents were strict with me when I was younger and used that word frequently, and I am so grateful that they did.  

And I also agree with you on the parents not contolling what their kids eat?  And that is why?  I am sorry, but that will be the day that I let my child tell me what they are and aren't going to eat.

Answer 24

Nothing changes except the date.  The way kids behave today is way out of line here in UK.  The word discipline has been ripped out of the dictionary.  What we have instead is a free-for-all.

I sometimes cannot believe what I hear and see in the news.

When teen boys are caught and charged and convicted, what they get is councelling.  What they should get is a lot of hard work and no TV etc for at least a year to teach them to obey.

The best advice I can give is to avoid any contact with any kids other than your own.  Especially don't even try to separate waring factions - phone the fuzz and let them sort it out.  I heard of one guy who got killed by a yob on a bus because he asked him if he would please stop throwing chips at his girlfiend.

Take care and avoid dodgy situations - stay on the lower deck of all buses and travel with lots of other folk about.  Keep your mobile handy and call the fuzz if there's any kind of problem.

I should advise you that when you are on public transport here in UK it is the BTP (British Transport Police) who deal with most of the problems - they are rock hard and not anything like other coppers.