Is this legal in Schools?

Question

Its called a Gray Room

If you are perceived to be bad you go into this room where

You sit upright all day in a chair - if you slouch you have to stand up for 10 mins and read the rules.

No fresh air - no exercise - continually on CCTV - escorted to the toilet - no correct School work, ie read a book or do a crossword, looked after by a pub bouncer with no record able qualifications - you are allowed a sandwich and a bottle of water at lunchtime and this continues for 5 days - legal advice please

Answer 1

Sounds more like a prison than a school.......

Answer 2

That sounds a bit harsh. Ye your right to complian that shouldnt be legal !

Answer 3

Try behaving at school and you won't have to face the consequences.  You don't need legal advice and the opportunity to waste tax payers money on legal aid you need to realise you are a child and do as you are asked.  Sounds like a really good punishment for you - hope it really bores you.  I love the way you try to make it sound really bad - you are just sitting in a room you are not in prison.

Answer 4

Well at my school there is a fing caled a sanctuary but every1 jus mucks about in there n Youve got to hav 10 mins break everyday even if you are in truble did you do anyfin seriously bad ?

Answer 5

my god where is this school i hope not here in the usa cause if it is your parent can sue the h**l out of the school for treating you like this this is called abuse no school can do this to a student ever it is against the law please put the school name in your question to see if this is true are not and a telephone number so i can call the school and to see why do they treat there students like c**p

Answer 6

I would certainly be unhappy if I was you, but bear in mind that your son probably hates going into the room, and so MAY be giving you the worst possible description of it.

If you really want legal advice, ask a solicitor. If they feel you have grounds for legal action, they will write to the school on your behalf (after the result of the appeal, probably) and ask them to explain their actions, including the "bouncer's" qualifications and suitability.

But before you do that you should ask your son if there is anything else he wants to tell you, as the solicitor will cost money.  

Answer 7

I think thats just a form as torture disguised as dicipline! I certainly wouldn't allow any child i knew be treated like that, regardless of his/her wrong doing. I would prefer the child be educated as to why whatever s/he did was wrong, and then a  suitable and productive punishment be established.

That just sounds like they've travelled back in time -  next they'll bring out the belt!

Answer 8

I think its not you could sue them what they are doing is more like abuse...

AJ

Answer 9

I read what you wrote a few times and at first it seemed terrible and than I realized that this was about the same thing as detention at my High School.  It's very legal, but if your there for more than a week straight you could argue that it's technically a prison.  Depending on how good your lawyer is it could go either way.

Answer 10

Sounds like ISS / ALC

I can't sit up straight due to my right hip being lower than my left.

No exercise... and they wonder why the children today are more obese than ever before.

No correct school work, I'm confused, are you saying they do not allow the child to work on any school work?  If so, that's absolutely pathetic.  

And limiting what the child can eat or drink, now that's just wrong.  I would need more than a bottle of water and a sandwich, or I would end up slouching even if my hip wasn't messed up due to fatigue.

This gray room, sounds like ISS (In school suspension) and I was assigned to it in 8th grade after defending myself from a fight.  It was be beat up, and still be assigned ISS or defend myself and still be assigned ISS.

When I was there, for two days I was only allowed to work on school work, but I finished so early and was well behaved that the teacher in charge allowed me to nap.  I was only allowed to go to the restroom twice, being escorted, and lunch was brought to us.  I refused to eat due to being upset.  We were assigned a cubical area, the size of a desk, and could not see the person on either side of us, and we were not allowed to look back.

Some schools call it ALC Alternative Learning Center.

Answer 11

My school has one only its caled the inclusion room and its yellow. I havent been in it but i know plenty of peolple who have so it sounds as if its a matching discription. The only thing that you could sue on is if the 'pub bouncer' hasnt got any police checks. But you'd have to be sure.

Answer 12

What country are you in, Communist Russia! This is not legal in the UK, this is child abuse. Remove your child right away, contact Ofsted and report this. IF this were my child I would likely deck the head teacher too just for good measure. We send our children to school  to be educated not subjucated.

Answer 13

You cant punish children for slouching, I dont think you can record them on cctv on their own, you DEFINATLY cannot leave them on their own in a room with one adult, especially with no way out, you cannot tell them what they can and cannot eat, you cannot deprive them of education when education must be given at that time, and you must give them a fair break in the day.

this is illegal.

Answer 14

Yes this definitely illegal certainly in England not sure in the other parts of the U.K especially the CCTV recording as you have your own rights for privacy and the school could be sued or closed down if you take this issue to higher authorities.

Answer 15

If any of the following Definitions of Child Abuse and Neglect exist, then it is illegal.

Physical Abuse of a Child

Physical abuse is generally defined as "any nonaccidental physical injury to the child" and can include striking, kicking, burning, or biting the child, or any action that results in a physical impairment of the child. In approximately 36 States and American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands, the definition of abuse also includes acts or circumstances that threaten the child with harm or create a substantial risk of harm to the child's health or welfare.4

Neglect

Neglect is frequently defined in terms of deprivation of adequate food, clothing, shelter, medical care, or supervision. Approximately 21 States and American Samoa, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands include failure to educate the child as required by law in their definition of neglect.5 Seven States further define medical neglect as failing to provide any special medical treatment or mental health care needed by the child. In addition, four States define as medical neglect the withholding of medical treatment or nutrition from disabled infants with life-threatening conditions.

Emotional Abuse

All States and territories except Georgia and Washington include emotional maltreatment as part of their definitions of abuse or neglect. Approximately 22 States, the District of Columbia, the Northern Mariana Islands, and Puerto Rico provide specific definitions of emotional abuse or mental injury to a child. Typical language used in these definitions is "injury to the psychological capacity or emotional stability of the child as evidenced by an observable or substantial change in behavior, emotional response, or cognition," or as evidenced by "anxiety, depression, withdrawal, or aggressive behavior."

Answer 16

That's really rather dodgy. Which school is it? it's like something out of the 18th century. Do they send you down the mines/up chimneys/sorting out bobbins in the woollen mills. The education Acts are there to protect children from these methods. I'd check out the citizens advice bureau.

ps. did it stop you messing around in class though????? :-)

Answer 17

No

Answer 18

The way it's written sounds as if it's abusive.

When you re-read it, it's not really that bad.

It's just basically detention.

Answer 19

My daughter has a similar thing in her school - called re-track.  It is mainly used for disruptive students who are disturbing others and being a pain in the neck.  It is the step before suspension.  There is CCTV and students are escorted to the toilet.  After all, if they can't behave in a classroom setting they can hardly be trusted to walk around the school unsupervised can they?  It will not do your kid any harm to have to manage on a sandwich and water for lunch - many kids in this world have far far less!  Maybe you should ask your child what he did to get sent to this room and encourage him to be better behaved so he doesn't have to go there again?  As many schools have a similar system there cannot be any legal problem with it.

Answer 20

quick get ur guns!! shoot them all!! ANARCHY! ANARCHY! ANARCHY!

Answer 21

In my country that would be defying of child's rights. The only thing that happens to us here: we lose points in our behaving grade which can influence your future(Eg: you cannot go to military school, a good college, be a politician etc.) or/and go to the police station if you're very naughty.

But I see that in the USA very often. You're not that democratic that your politicians say :)).

Answer 22

Sounds to me just like mere in school suspension more than anything. So in the US it is legal, It can't be that bad. Just deal with it. It's not that hard, I'd just end up sleeping anyway.

Answer 23

That is not acceptable, why have your parents not done something about it, if it was my child i would be up the school straight away demanding an explanation.

Answer 24

as i know youve made up the "fact" that a "pub bouncer" with no qualifications works in a school... what else have you made up?

"pub bouncers", or door supervisors are regestered with the SIA (security industry Authority, and thier qualifications are easily checked, as well as the fact they have a licence, and have been CRB'd (checked by the criminal records buro).

Quiet rooms..... which are similar to what youve described, but without the exaduration..... are legal... and common for disruptive or violent or abusive pupils.

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if everything you say is true, then yes its illegal... but if this guy works in a pub, as a door supervisor, then he HAS to be licenced and registered of he couldnt work there (i am presuming this is UK, as i wouldnt be accurate in what i say if its America)