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It is Must to follow Ali (as) otherwise we are not Muslims- Is it must to follow ABuBaker or Umer?

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The Holy Prophet placed his hand on the neck of Ali and said: "This is the guide of the righteous and the slayer of the profligate. He who helps him is victorious and he who abandons him is forsaken. Hakim has recorded this in his Mustadrak, vol. 3, p. 129, as a tradition related by Jabir. This is tradition No. 2527 in Kanz al-Ummal, vol. 6, p.153, and Thalabi has recorded it as related by Abu Dharr while commenting on the verse of 'superior authority' in his Tafsir al-Kabir.

There more than 200 Hadiths like this in Siha Satta.

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  1. It is MUST to follow Quran and Hadith

    and if you follow Quran and Hadith then u know that we should have high recept and love for all the companions(RA) of Prophet (saw) :) including Abu Bakr, Umar and Ali (RA)

    :)


  2. it is over, the khalapat is over, now we can't make any difference!!!

    Omar(ra), Ali (ra) or abu bakar(ra) they were our khalapas and sahaba, they followed the sunnah of Mohammad (as), we are following them.

  3. Who the h**l cares about shiite hadith (which is false).

    Anyone who does not respect the sahaba are pigs. May they end up in the worst h**l.

    May the rafidas get their due for cursing all those who loved the Prophet (SAW)

  4. wth? u don't even know what your talking about.

    is it must?

    u don't follow any. u follow rasullallah (saw).

  5. i agree the propet him self said that following ali(as) as if u r following him

  6. I say it makes perfect sense as Hazrat Ali (rz) was certainly a true and righteous Muslim and Khalifa.

    But the Prophet (sa) also said the following to make clear who is the best in his Ummah.

    “Abu Bakr is the best of men after me except a prophet should appear.” (Kanzul Ummal)

    “Abu Bakr is the best of the people after me except one who may be a prophet.” (Tabrani Kabir Kamil Ibne Adi quoted in Jame Saghir by Imam Suyuti, p.5)

    “Abu Bakr is the best of my followers except anyone who might be a prophet.” (Dalmy quoted by Kanzul Haqaiq of Imam Mondadi, p. 7)

    “Abu Bakr holds the highest place in this Ummah except that a prophet is raised amongst them.” (Dalmy quoted by Kanzul Haqaiq of Imam Mondadi, p. 7)

    Seems pretty clear.

    love for all, hatred for none.

  7. Great answer by Abul Haarith i fully agree with him !

    Why don't you Mjeffery follow the prophet?  if Ali was following him ?

  8. Imam Ali (as) said:

    "I advise you, and all my children, my relatives, and whosoever receives this message, to be conscious of Allah, to remove your differences, and to strengthen your ties. I heard your grandfather, peace be upon him, say: "Reconciliation of your differences is more worthy than all prayers and all fasting."

    Maintain communication and exchange of opinion among yourselves. Beware of disunity and enmity. Do not desist from promoting good deeds and cautioning against bad ones. Should you do that, the worst among you would be your leaders, and you will call upon Allah without response."

  9. I didn't exactly understand what do you mean by your question, but we as Muslims should believe that Omar and AbuBaker both were good Sahaba, AboBaker were the first guy who believe in Mohommed and he was by his side until the day Mohommed died, Ali converted to Islam when he was 10 years old, all of them were good Sahaba and thats what Muslim should believe in.

    Ali didn't want to take the "superior authority" from either AboBaker or Omar. the problem happened after they both died and AboBaker and Omar weren't part of it.

    If you mean follow them like we follow Mohommed then the answer is no, no one was perfect but Mohommed.

  10. Allah commands us in many verses to abey him and obey the prophet

    like in 4-(almaeda) :92    {وَأَطِيعُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُواْ ٱلرَّسُولَ وَٱحۡذَرُواْ‌ۚ فَإِن تَوَلَّيۡتُمۡ فَٱعۡلَمُوٓاْ أَنَّمَا عَلَىٰ رَسُولِنَا ٱلۡبَلَـٰغُ ٱلۡمُبِينُ }

    translation : Obey Allah and obey the messenger, and beware! But if ye turn away, then know that the duty of Our messenger is only plain conveyance (of the message).

    muslims don't follow abu-bakr nor omar nor ali . maybe follow their examples as good men and friends of the prophet (p.b.u.h) but we only follow God and his messenger

  11. Shee'ahs always seem to take things which they like and leave off that which they dont like.

    Ibn Mas'ood radhiallaahu anhu reported from the Prophet sallallaahu alaihi wa Salam,

    " اقْتَدُوا بِاللَّذَيْنِ مِنْ بَعْدِي أَبِي بَكْرٍ وَعُمَرَ " رواه الترمذي (3805)

    Why don't you follow this Hadeeth and follow Aboo Bakr and Umar radhiallaahu anhumaa? Is it because you just like to pick and choose? I can fill this page with more and more narrations which are authentic like this one. There are more ahaadeeth, but the shee'ah just want to choose what goes with their desires.

    Even 'Alee radhiallaahu anhu affirmed this, are you going to say he was not a muslim for following Aboo Bakr and Umar radhiallaahu anhumaa?

    Shareek bin 'Abdillaah, the Taabi'ee, when he was asked, "who is better.. Abu Bakr or 'Alee" He said "Abu Bakr". The one who asked him said, "You say this while you are a Shee'ee?" He said, "Yes any one who does not say this is not a Shee'ah by Allaah, Alee took up this pulpit and said, "ألا إن خير هذه الأمة بعد رسول الله، أبي بكر ثم عمر" By Allaah the best of this Ummah after its prophet is Abu Bakr and then 'Umar so how can we turn down and reject his saying? By Allaah he was not a liar." Narrated from Alee from more than 80 ways of narration (Talkhees ash-Shaafee Vol. 2, 428)

    It is mutawaatir upon 'Alee radhiallaahu anhu from his son:

    أيُّ النَّاسِ خَيْرٌ بَعْدَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ أَبُو بَكْرٍ قُلْتُ ثُمَّ مَنْ قَالَ ثُمَّ عُمَرُ وَخَشِيتُ أَنْ يَقُولَ عُثْمَانُ قُلْتُ ثُمَّ أَنْتَ قَالَ مَا أَنَا إِلا رَجُلٌ مِنْ الْمُسْلِمِينَ " رواه البخاري ( 3671 )

    ((Which of the people is best after the Messenger salallaahu alaihi wa salam? He said: "Aboo Bakr" I said: "Then whom?" he said "Then Umar" and I feared he would say Uthmaan then I said "then you?" he said "I am not except a man from the Muslims"))

    Here is a nice narration, I'm including the chain of narration:

    أخبرنا زكريا بن يحيى قال: ثنا إسحاق قال: أنا وكيع قال: ثنا أبو العميس عن ابن أبي مليكة عن عائشة قالت: قبض رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم  ÃƒÂ™Ã‚ˆÃ™Â„م يستخلف، قالت: وقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: لو كنت مستخلفاً أحدا لاستخلفت أبا بكر وعمر

    أخرجه مسلم في صحيحه ج 4 ص 1856 رقم 2385

    ((If I were to place as a Khaleefah anyone, I would place as a Khaleefah: Abaa Bakr and Umar ))

    Reported by Muslim in his Saheeh, volume 4 page 1856 Number 2385.

    And also this was reported by others with different authentic chains of narration.

    So Rawaafidh... you just prove your ascription of Rafdh and it's not for you to use Ahaadeeth from people you do not believe in as Istidlaal.

  12. we have to follow only God's saying in Quran and not all the people of this world.

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