JW's, Who is Your Mediator?

Question

Do you not think the Watchtower teaches wrongly? Look...

“Worldwide Security Under the Prince of Peace” page 10:

“Jesus Christ is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel which is limited to only 144,000 members.”

As a Jehovah's Witness, you do not qualify to have Jesus for your mediator unless you belong to the small, elite group of the remnant of the 144K (which would be less than 9000 today). That means you are stuck with the boys in Brooklyn, who are dying off, as YOUR mediator.

They are already preparing the faithful to accept members of the earthly “other sheep” in positions once reserved for the elite. When they are all dead, you will have no Mediator!

Why not give your heart directly to Jesus since the organization cannot save you?

Answer 1

In Paul's letter to the Hebrews where Jesus was referred to as a mediator. In the several places where the term mediator is used, it is always in reference to Christ being the mediator of a covenant. But does that mean that God makes a covenant with all men?

No.

Those who are brought into a covenant with Jehovah, through the mediator Christ, are those who are anointed and chosen by God to ultimately rule with Christ in his kingdom. The purpose for the covenant is ultimately for the blessing of all the nations, as God promised when he originally established his covenant with Abraham.

(See Genesis 22:18)

If mankind is to receive a blessing as a result of the seed of God's promise, and only the anointed are part of that seed, then it is evident that mankind in general is not in any covenant relationship with God. Hence, Christ is not their mediator.

Expressed differently: The people of the nations are recipients of the blessings of the seed of God. But Christ and his anointed ones are the seed of God.

(See Galatians 3:29)

That's why it is not necessary for all men to have Christ as a mediator, because they are blessed through the kingdom--even though they are not in a covenant for the kingdom.

Answer 2

Jesus is the Mediator between God and men. A mediator between two different sides has to interact between the two. If a company has a dispute with its workers, a mediator has to mediate between the two and yet this mediator must have experience of being on both sides. Another words, this mediator must have been a worker and a company executive in order to understand the disputants and fulfill his/her tasks as mediator!

How can JWs reason on the side of the WBTS and say this Mediator named Jesus cannot be God and Man? They somehow assume an angel can mediate between God and men! This is the worst logic anyone can ever come up with!!!

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T of O...I read your questions also, and it is also pointless in answering any of your preconceived questions especially where you would encourage other JWs to join in on making false reports on those thoughtful answers which you dislike!!! Are you and the other JWs also going to make another false report on this one???

Answer 3

Jesus is our Mediator. He is the One that saves

Answer 4

Jesus has 2 rolls as a mediator.

In regard to the 144000 he is the mediator of the new covenant that replaced the one given through Moses.  The Covenant given through Moses was to the nation of Israel (that is those born into the nation). Others could take advantage by becoming proselytes.

When Jesus instituted the new covenant it was to a "spiritual nation of Israel" not one by birth, Others could avail themselves of the benefits by attaching themselves to the "spiritual nation"

The second way Jesus is a mediator is through prayer. John 14:6-7 " 6 Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If YOU men had known me, YOU would have known my Father also; from this moment on YOU know him and have seen him.”

When we pray we must do it though Jesus as our mediator.

We do NOT look to any human as any sort of mediator, not even the Governing Boby of JWs

Answer 5

Jesus is the high priest (and mediator) for all humankind. This question's quote pointedly refers to Jesus' as Mediator (with a capital "M") in connection with his role in mediating the new covenant.

This question is somewhat silly in that it misrepresents what Jehovah's Witnesses actually believe, and (sadly) the questioner likely knows full well that he is misleading a typical reader.

Essentially, Jehovah's Witnesses believe the Bible to teach that the actual SIGNATORIES of the "new covenant" are a limited number of persons elsewhere referred to in the Bible as "the Israel of God" (see Gal 6:16). The vast majority of Christians do not actual sign that particular legal document, but they do benefit from its provisions.

.. ..(2 Corinthians 3:5-6) Our being adequately qualified issues from God, who has indeed adequately qualified us to be ministers of a new covenant

Of course, this "new covenant" replaces the former Jewish Mosaic Law covenant, which was a bilaterial agreement between Jehovah God and the original nation of literal Israel. Was it only the signatories of that original covenant who benefitted from it? Of course not.

.. ..(Romans 9:6) However, it is not as though the word of God had failed. For not all who spring from Israel are really “Israel.”

.. ..(Hebrews 8:8,9,13) “‘Look! There are days coming,’ says Jehovah, ‘and I will conclude with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant; not according to the covenant that I made with their forefathers in the day of my taking hold of their hand to bring them forth out of the land of Egypt, because they did not continue in my covenant, so that I stopped caring for them,’ says Jehovah.” ...In his saying “a new covenant” he has made the former one obsolete.

It seems rather obvious that the blessings of that original Law covenant were enjoyed by others besides the SIGNATORIES of the covenant; indeed, anyone who chose to associate with the nation of Israel enjoyed those blessings. It seems further obvious that would be many MULTIPLES more who would benefit.

.. ..(Zechariah 8:23) Jehovah of armies has said, ‘It will be in those days that ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will actually take hold of the skirt of a man who is a Jew, saying: “We will go with you people, for we have heard that God is with you people.”’”

All of Jehovah's Witnesses recognize a single "mediator", and that mediator is Jesus Christ himself. It is true that Christ bears the legal title of "Mediator", and that this particular manifestation of Christ's legal role of "Mediatorship" concerns a legal agreement (a covenant) between God and those Anointed for heavenly life. But it is also true that in a practical way Christ functions as a mediator between God and all humankind in that Christ conveys the prayers of all humankind to God and Christ commands the angelic action that may fulfill those prayers. Similarly, Christ functions as a mediator between all Christians and God in that Christ is the head of the entire Christian congregation (which exists to further God's purposes); Christ receives the congregation's obedience and provides it with his direction by means of holy spirit and angelic action (even before any individual may have prayed about the matter).

Admittedly, the publications of Jehovah's Witnesses intelligently differentiate between Christ's roles as Mediator, High Priest, Head, and King (etc). However, it would be a mistake for onlookers to pretend that any true Christian (such as a Jehovah's Witness) cannot hope for salvation through the blood of Christ as his sole intercessor with Almighty God. Jehovah's Witnesses certainly do not minimize or misunderstand the enormous privileges and position of Jesus Christ.

.. ..(Matthew 26:64) Jesus said to him: “...From henceforth you will see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of power

.. ..(Romans 8:34) Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, rather the one who was raised up from the dead, who is on the right hand of God

.. ..(Colossians 3:1) Christ is seated at the right hand of God.

.. ..(Hebrews 1:3) [Jesus] sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places.

.. ..(Hebrews 8:1) This is the main point: We have such a high priest as this [Jesus], and he has sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens

.. ..(Hebrews 12:2) Look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. ...he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

.. ..(1 Peter 3:22) He [Jesus] is at God’s right hand, for he went his way to heaven

Answer 6

JWs believe that Jesus is our "Way" To the Father. No one can approach the Father but thru Jesus. The misunderstanding here is about the definition of the term "Mediator". For JWs, Jesus is the mediator  for the new covenant in which some people from earth will rule as kings in heaven. That definition of "mediator" is limited to the 144,000 who will go heaven and not to ALL. If you say, ALL, then you're basically saying that wicked people, and even Satan, are to be rulers in heaven and will be saved. That is not true, we know that Satan and the wicked ones, do not accept Jesus as Saviour and Christ, so they will be destroyed forever. The righteous themselves will posses the earth - Psalms 37.  

Answer 7

There is one mediator between God and mankind,

and that is Jesus Christ.

Not to say that Jehovah doesn't use humans

to declare His Excellencies around the earth.

Answer 8

You know Green?  This is a REALLY good argument AGAINST the Trinity doctrine which you seem to believe in.

Think about it.  If you have a legal case with someone and instead you decide to settle it via "mediation" what does that mean?

It means you go to a neutral third party to settle the dispute in a way that is agreeable to both YOU and the person you have the dispute with.

So if Jesus is "mediator"  Then he cannot also be God can he?  Hmm got you there.

The reason Jesus is NOT our "mediator" in the sense of that word is that a "mediator" is a legal term.  It involves a third party who handles the details between two parties to a covenant or contract or agreement.

In the sense that Jesus is the "mediator" he is doing a legal action which validates "the new covenant" between spiritual Isreal and Jehovah.  Jesus handles the details of making that covenant possible.

In that sense Jesus is NOT the mediator of the Great Crowd or Other Sheep because while we benefit FROM the arrangement of that new covenant we are NOT legal parties involved in making the covenant.

Look at it this way.  My husband and I bought a house.  We went to escrow and we put up the money, got the bank involved, signed the papers, Escrow made sure all the legal documents were in order, that the money changed hands and that the rights to the property changed hands.  The "escrow" was the "mediator".  The person selling the house to us was a "party" to the contract as was their bank. Our mortgage company and my husband and I were the other parties to the contract.

Now.  My children.  They live in the home we bought.  They benefit from this covenant or contract, but they are NOT parties to the contract.  The escrow is NOT their mediator because they have nothing to do with this particular contract, are not bound by its terms and do NOT have legal obligations within this contract.

Jesus said (Luke 12:32) “Have no fear, little flock, because YOUR Father has approved of giving YOU the kingdom"  WHO did he give the kingdom to?  the "little flock".

Jesus also said (Luke 22:28) “However, YOU are the ones that have stuck with me in my trials; 29 and I make a covenant with YOU, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, 30 that YOU may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the twelve tribes of Israel."

Notice the covenant was made with his closest apostles, his "little flock"  Not with all of mankind.  All of mankind can benefit, but not all of mankind is part of this particular covenant.

That little flock was made up of "the hundred and forty-four thousand, who have been bought from the earth"  So one of the conditions of being part of that covenant is that they were "bought" and must live away from the earth.

But this isn't the hope of most of mankind.

Does this mean that Jesus doesn't still act as a go between for us with respect to prayer to our Father? no.  Not at all, he is still an intermediary to plead for us to his Father.  He just isn't a "mediator" in the legal sense of being an 'escrow' or a third party who arbritrates the details of a covenant.  

We have NO covenant with God.  No two way binding covenant anyway.  He has promised the righteous will get ever lasting life if they put faith in his promises and in the sacrifice of his son.  This means we must support the arrangement.  Just as children hoping to live in the home of their parents must respect the home, must support the unity of the family.

But the 144.000 are to us, like the Levites were to the nation of Isreal.  They are "firstfruits" in a sense a sacrifice to God.  The Levites didn't get an earthly inheritance.  Just as the 144,000 don't.  The Levites had as their inheritance, God's house, his preisthood, and their livlihood came from the sacrifices offered to God.  Their "food" as it was, was to do Jehovah's will, just as Jesus said it was HIS "food" to do the work that Jehovah had assigned him.

Our brothers on earth who are of this remnant do NOT replace Jesus as a mediator, they are part of Jesus' bride class, and they are submissive TO Jesus as a wife is to her husband.  He has given them an assignment and they are carrying that out.  They are NOT replacing him as you suggest.  They are working WITH him.

Answer 9

Great question. I am not a J.W. but know quite a few personally. The amount of time they devote to bible study puts most of us to shame but they are misguided and lost nonetheless.

Answer 10

  I have bad news for you, he is not your mediator either, if you study the Bible carefully, Jehovah made a covenant with 1444,000 spiritual Israelites,  not with the whole world, to rule with Christ in heaven, Jesus is the mediator of that covenant. That is one of his roles. On the other hand he is a redeemer of the whole world of people through his perfect human  sacrifice, John 2:2  

Answer 11

"The people of all nations who have the hope of everlasting life on earth benefit even now from Jesus’ services. Though he is not their legal Mediator, for they are not in the new covenant, he is their means of approaching Jehovah. Christ said: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6) All who will gain life on earth must direct their prayers to Jehovah through Jesus. (John 14:13, 23, 24) Jesus also serves as a compassionate High Priest who is able to apply in their behalf the benefits of his sacrifice, allowing them to gain forgiveness and eventual salvation.—Acts 4:12; Hebrews 4:15." (Watchtower 1989, 8/15 30-31)

Post Script

Judging by your other 84 questions all aimed at attacking Jehovah's Witnesses, I can see you that are not even looking for an answer here. You are only seeking self-justification for your own ideas.

Therefore, I am not going to contribute my time or energy to your questions in the future, as it would be pointless. You've shown that you do not even need Jehovah's Witnesses to answer your questions, so I won't. It is my hope that other Jehovah's Witnesses follow suit.

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