JWs, are Michael and Jesus the same?

Question

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The Watchtower Reprints, November 11, 1879,p. 48 ‘“Let all the angels of God worship him’; (that must include Michael, the chief angel, hence Michael is not the Son of God)”

Seems the early history of your organization didn't believe so. Surely the "Faithful and discreet slave" couldn't be wrong on something of this magnitude even if the "light gets brighter". To teach that would be blasphemy!!!

So in light of this, how can they be the same if the WT previously said they were not?

Answer 1

yes

Answer 2

Colossians 1:15 to 20 says

15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

So yes i think the Jehovah's Witnesses have it right.

Pity we don't all understand the bible as well as the JW's or Ben Yesha .

Answer 3

Jesus is different than all the other angels, although he being the Chief of Angels or Archangel, he is also the ONLY-BEGOTTEN SON of God. The rest of creation are created through Jesus. Jesus is also the Christ,the Word and our Lord. Jesus has a name Immanuel so it is not unreasonable to say that Jesus’ other name is Michael.

In Heb 1:5-8, it talks about Jesus when he was human and when Jesus was not a spirit. Mark 1:11 for example stated “You are my son” notice the declaration and approval of Jesus as God’s son was first told when he was HUMAN and not when Jesus was a spirit. No other angels are declared and approved as “God’s Son” except Jesus , eventhough the Bible calls these other angels , son of God.

Jesus can rebuke and not rebuke anytime he wishes. It doesn’t mean that when Jesus rebukes or not, that it will change his identity.

Jesus can also ask his Father to rebuke Satan, so that is not a proof of Trinity.

Now, regarding Jesus as the Archangel. Please notice these Bible texts.

However, the friend of the bridegroom, when he stands and hears him, has a great deal of joy on account of the voice of the bridegroom. John 3:29 – Who owns the voice of the bridegroom? And the one who owns the voice of the bridegroom is the bridegroom himself, isn’t he?

1 The 4:16 states “because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.”

Who has the voice of an archangel who have a commanding call and when the dead hears that archangel’s voice that they in turn was raised up in union with Christ? The owner of that archangel’s voice is Jesus. Notice, Jesus has God’s TRUMPET (singular) and the effect once that trumpet is sounded is that THE DEAD will RISE.

Just like in John 3:29 , the one with the voice of the bridegroom is the bridegroom himself, so in 1 The 4:16 the one with the voice of the archangel who can raise the dead, is also an archangel.

Just think of this, if Jesus can be a human, why can’t he be the archangel which means Chief of Angels.

(Job 38:4,7) When [Jehovah] founded the earth... When the morning STARs [or "angels"] joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause

(Revelation 22:16) I, Jesus... I am the root and the offspring of David, and the BRIGHT morning STAR.

The Bible doesn’t support the idea of Trinity nor says that Jesus is the Almighty God.

The Bible also doesn’t use the terms “God-Man” TriUne God, Trinity, Three Persons in One God , Three in One God , TriUne characters of God, and other terminologies that Trinitarians invented. Why do you think you can’t find the word “reincarnation” in the Bible? The reason why you can’t find the word “reincarnation” in the Bible is the same reason why you can’t find the word “Trinity” in the Bible.

Isa 44:6 states that there is no other God besides him.

- This is what Jehovah has said, the King of Israel and the Repurchaser of him, Jehovah of armies, ‘I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God.

This means that there is no other God, who is Almighty, and the Repurchaser. Notice the phrase it used, “I AM” and “ME”. DO you use the phrases “I am” and “ME” for THREE PERSONS? The phrase “I am” is not used for THREE PERSONS and to ONLY ONE PERSON.

Because it uses the phrase "I am" AND “ME” and “NO GOD BESIDES ME” in Isa 44:6, so there is no room for OTHER persons who are part of God, isn't it? So Isa 44:6 PROVES that God is only ONE PERSON, not THREE

IF only one person is talking in Isa 44:6 and he said “Besides ME, there is NO GOD” then if there’s still TWO OTHER PERSONS who is God, then you are saying that God is telling a lie.

God is not a liar, so it is the Trinity doctrine that is wrong.

Answer 4

Yes, Jehovah's Witnesses do happen to believe the Bible to teach that "Michael" is another name for Jesus.

This question's quote was from a few months after the presidency of Ulysses S. Grant. Ironically, in the 1800's many American Protestants believed Jesus and Michael to be the same person.

Once a person has thoroughly and prayerfully meditated on the Scriptures, it is rather obvious to recognize that there is a single archangel and his voice belongs to Jesus.

.. ..(1 Thessalonians 4:14-16) Jesus died and rose again, so, too... the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice

Should a Christian be troubled at the Bible teaching that Jesus is the "archangel"? No. The Bible also refers to Jesus as an apostle, yet it is beyond obvious that Jesus is higher than any mere apostle. Or high priest for that matter!

.. ..(Hebrews 3:1) Consider the apostle and high priest whom we confess—Jesus.

Jehovah's Witnesses do happen to believe that Michael is Jesus, but the idea is hardly central to their faith. It is just that a child can recognize what the Bible says about the idea... Is not Jesus Christ the primary "Seed" who defeats Satan? The Millennial Rule begins with Satan's abyssing, performed by Christ Jesus, and no mere subsidiary. Thus, when Revelation 12:7-9 tells us that "Michael" performs this work, Jehovah's Witnesses are convinced that "Michael" is simply another name for Jesus, just as "Immanuel", "Sprout", "David", and "The Word" are additional names of Jesus (see Matt 1:23 ["Immanuel"]; Zech 6:12 ["Sprout", "Branch", or "Shoot"]; Ezek 37:24,25 ["David"]; Rev 19:13 ["The Word of God"]).

.. ..(Genesis 3:15) He [the Seed of God's woman] will bruise you [the original serpent Satan] in the head

.. ..(Revelation 12:7-9) Michael and his angels battled with the dragon... So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan

.. ..(Revelation 20:1-3) And I saw an angel... And he seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. And he hurled him into the abyss

.. ..(Revelation 20:6-7) Rule as kings with [Christ] for the thousand years.

Does the questioner feel compelled to insist that Jesus is above mere angels? Jehovah's Witnesses agree!

Despite the misconceptions of Christendom, the Bible itself teaches that there is one single solitary archangel, the lone "Chief of the Angels". By definition, every ‘mere angel’ would be lesser than that archangel. Thus, Jehovah’s Witnesses insist that it would be incorrect to believe that Jesus was a mere angel on a par with other angels. Even before he came to earth and was impaled, Jesus the Son enjoyed a position higher than any other creature in existence because of two different reasons.

Firstly, as the firstborn of creation, Jesus likely spent thousands or millions or billions of years in exclusive association with Jehovah; this unique opportunity allowed Jesus to learn so much that Jesus is spoken of as the "image" and "reflection" and "exact representation" of Almighty Jehovah God.

.. ..(Colossians 1:15) [Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation

.. ..(Hebrews 1:3) [Jesus] is the reflection of [Jehovah's] glory and the exact representation of his very being

Secondly, the bible teaches that Jesus worked alongside Jehovah to CREATE the other angels (and the rest of the heavenly and physical universe).

.. ..(Colossians 1:15-18) By means of him all other things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things and by means of him all other things were made to exist, 18 and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning

.. ..(Revelation 3:14) These are the things that [Jesus] says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God [see 2 Cor 1:20]

.. ..(Proverbs 8:22) Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago.

.. ..(John 1:1,14) In the beginning [Jesus] was... So [Jesus] became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of undeserved kindness and truth.

As the agent of creation for the other angels, who better than Jesus to be their "Chief"? Interestingly, the Scriptures refer to *ALL* angelic spirit creatures as "morning stars". Jesus is not excluded from that terminology, but he is elevated by the unique description "the BRIGHT morning star".

.. ..(Job 38:4,7) When [Jehovah] founded the earth... When the morning stars [or "angels"] joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause

.. ..(Revelation 22:16) I, Jesus... I am the root and the offspring of David, and the BRIGHT morning star. [caps added]

In summary, it seems beyond debate that the Bible identifies Jesus with the offices of “archangel”, “apostle”, “high priest”, ‘bruiser of the original serpent’, ‘abysser’, "Immanuel", "Sprout", "David”, "The Word", "Chief of the Angels", ‘image of God’, “firstborn of all creation”, “the beginning of the creation by God”, “only-begotten son”, ‘son of God’, ‘morning star’, and “bright morning star”. Is it really a surprise that Jesus is also called “Michael”?

Answer 5

Actually, that Jesus and Michael are the same person is not a major doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses. I don't understand why it keeps coming up so often on Yahoo Answers.

Answer 6

No. Jesus was never Michael and Bible never says He was Michael

Answer 7

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(YES);  Michael and Jesus ARE "the same" !

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Answer 8

in there book reasoning the scripture page  218 and i quote

so the evidence indicates that the son of god was known as michael before he came to earth and is known also by that name since his return to heaven.  

Answer 9

Yes, they are the same

Post Script

Now honestly, we all saw this question before, and we saw the way that you ignore all answers from the group that you are supposedly directing the question too. So what makes you think that we're gonna waste time on it again? You don't even need us after all. You can get all of the self-justification you want from the anti-Witnesses here.

Answer 10

Hi, green:

I'm not JW, but know Michael means "he who is like God" and Daniel 12 says "Michael the Prince..."  who is the Prince? the son of the King, who is God.

Also note that the dead are raised with the voice of Michael, and it was Jesus Himself that says "the dead will hear the voice of the son of man (Christ).

So, although the JW's are confused on some issues, they do have some valid scriptures to prove Jesus (meaning Saves) was also "like God."

The Bible code tells that Jesus is the expected Messiah: www.abiblecode.com

Shalom, peace in Jesus, Ben Yeshua