Jujitsu vs karate???

Question

what wins?

jujitsu or karate?

Answer 1

The jujitsu fighter will win.

it not even an anything can happen scenario. 9 out of 10 times hes going to win because karate guy does know how to grapple- thats crippling because the grappler knows how to position themself to nuetralize an opponent ont he ground. The karate practioner will find himself on the ground with no knowledge of "feel" of how to control his center of gravity. He wont escape. Even though jujitsu is different from BJJ. The concept will hold true in both. Now if the karate guy knew a little, just a little jujitsu or wrestling. HE could win. because he knows enough to keep the fight standing where he is vastly superior.

Just watch the rorion gracie videos. Search em on youtube to understand. Here's some pretty clear examples

heres karate vs bjj. (brazilian jujitsu)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=t0PHC1gXc0A

heres something others of other fighting styles which neglect the improtance of grappling. and how they fared.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RDz76O6r1ow

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tDmwyIh4ryQ

I hope this helps

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Thanks

Answer 2

AK-47

Answer 3

jujitsu is a martial art that focuses on grappling and ground fighting. Karate is a striking martial art. theyre kinda even, it would all come down to the training and focus of the combatants.

Also alot of fighters learn more than just one martial art, so that would have to go into consideration

Answer 4

jujitsu is more for ground fighting and karate is for striking they are not very similar for example if a karate student ended up on the ground the jujitsu will most likley win and could be the other way you never know.

# put this into consideration its not about the sport its about the student and how hard he trains and what level he has mastered.

Answer 5

The Japanese are very proud of their Judo, which is related to Jiu Jitsu.  Traditionally, in Japan, since they consider Judo their best and most practical martial art, if your martial art can not beat Judo, they're not interested.  The reason Karate was established in Japan in the first place, is because Karateka Motobu Choki defeated many Judoka with a single strike, as well as a huge foreign boxer.

Also, while Gichin Funakoshi never got into any street fights, nor did he ever fight in sanctioned tourneys of any kind, as anyone who knows even a little about Karate should know, tradition in all parts of east asia holds that if you claim your martial art works, it has to be tested.  Gichin Funakoshi, was tested by none other than Jigoro Kano himself, and reportedly the match ended in a draw.  Kano was so impressed, he promoted Karate to death, and it was largely Kano's word, not Funakoshi's fighting, which established the Shotokan style.

Motobu Choki Karate became established, because Choki demonstrated his skills to the Japanese public, while Gichin Funakoshi's success came largely from Kano's word, which did indeed go a long way.  In Okinawa, the way your skill was tested, was with a Kata demonstration, followed by a full contact, bare fisted and bare footed "test of strength."  Not sparring; an actual bare knuckle fight.  Amazingly enough in Okinawan Karate history, there hasn't been a single death, because the testees prior to the fact were all competently trained.

Also I would like to state for the reccord EVERYONE, AND ANYONE who ever studied Karate in Okinawa has to go through that, even today.  That includes Master Funakoshi himself, he himself had to have his skills tested in a bare knuckle "test of strength."  Such "sparring" matches though were restricted to test a person whose trained had been completed, and to evaluate the effectiveness of a style.  Mainland Japanese had a similar mentality, and still have that mentality actually.

If your martial art can not beat their very best Judoka, usually a dude in the middle weight category (around 150 to 160 lbs), then they are not interested.  What I am trying to say is, Karate either beat Judo outright (and Jiu Jitsu) or fought it to a draw when it became established in Japan.  The Japanese have always been pragmatic to a fault; if you can not demonstrate something as working effectively, then they will lose interest real fast.

Despite the fact that Funakoshi never had a public test of skill, Kano's own skill in Judo, and his word, was so respected and trusted, that is all the Japanese public needed.  However, despite being a scholar and an educated man do not forget that Kano was still Japanese, and having trained in martial arts he was ethically bound to test Gichin Funakoshi's skill BEFORE getting the word out as to how effective his martial art was.

It was never a "fight," so much as, like I said, a test.  However what the Japanese call "tests," and what we call "fights," are very hard to tell apart by westerners who do not understand the culture.  The martial arts of foreign origin that are practiced in Japan, are there because they defeated or as in Funakoshi's case, fought to a draw, the indigenous styles.

So, sorry, I should have reworded that; your fighting style has to prove itself equal or better than local Japanese styles, as by east Asian standards, the Japanese are arrogantly proud of their martial arts, ESPECIALLY Judo.  If Tai Chi Chuan is practiced in Japan, it is because China's Tai Chi experts beat high ranking Judoka.  If Shorinji Kempo, which is a derivative style of Shaolin Kung Fu, is practiced in Japan, is because a long time ago, a Shaolin monk who traveled to Japan, defeated a highly ranked Samurai warrior who was reportedly a sword master.

Catch, at least old school, obviously enough is practiced because old school catch grapplers beat Judo, and apparently they were so impressed they even adopted a lot of the moves, and vice a versa.

What wins?

It would depend on whether it was the Karateka, or the Judoka, who spent the most time at the Zen temple meditating for long hours.

Focus is everything man, and how effective you are, is largely rooted in that.  The reason the great majority of east asians do better in martial arts than westerners technique wise, as well as eventually becoming masters, is because one of the things you need to focus, is the ability to relax.  Because east asian people generally have a quieter, gentler temperament than westerners, its easier for them to sit down and relax for long hours, as opposed to an impatient, neurotic, hot headed westerner who will probably b*tch and moan about their time being wasted and "I don't see the point to this..." regarding meditation, whereas most east asians will more readily accept what is given them.

The prejudice against teaching westerners, is rooted in the fact that d**n man, no offense, but you people can't relax to save your lives.  Whereas east asians and their native american cousins can relax without a hitch.  In fact, a member of the Chen family in California, who teaches Tai Chi, because most of his students are white, he has a training program that lasts 6 months, dedicated entirely to training people how to relax.

Even east asians born here in the United States aren't anywhere near as neurotic and hot headed as whites; culture has nothing to do with it, it seems to be genetic.

As to what this has to do with Jujitsu vs Karate, it boils down to each individual's ability to focus.  The reason I rank Tai Chi Chuan as the top martial art, it is because it is almost entirely mental, and it develops a person's ability to focus much faster than other styles, and focus is what ultimately determines the outcome of a fight.  Fast reflexes, evasive instincts, all that stuff comes from a person's ability to focus.

The reason street fighters will in many occassions beat a trained martial artist, is because life or death situations forces a person to focus.  Its focus or die out there, in many crime infested areas.  Because most martial artists don't live under that kind of pressure naturally they are not very effective against street toughs.  Unless in their training, they push their limit and brutalize their bodies, like for example, as in MMA training or Shaolin Kung Fu.

Nothing will force a person to focus, more than a body made to stay active while it feels like the muscles are on fire, and you can barely stand.  The reason there has been a tradition of brutality in the world of martial arts, regarding training, is because that is the only way to make up for the difference between a normal, peaceful person, and someone who grew up in a life-or-death crime infested world.

Hey, part of the reason boxers of the 30's, 40's and 50's were as effective as they were, is because they had both; growing up on the streets and receiving brutal, formalized training, as well as having been pitted against hardened criminals.  Its also the reason most boxing champs come from "street" backgrounds, with Ali and Robinson being notable exceptions to the rule, among others but trust me, that list is very small.

It comes down, truly, to whose mind is better developed and yes being physically fit is important for that.

hope that answered the question.

Answer 6

Depends on what you want them for.

Answer 7

Ok so we have Nedal and Masta Hampsta who does not realize that Okinawin karate has a whole lot of stand up grappling in it. We train to avoid take downs and throws, becuae we use them ourselves.

It all depends on the fighter. In masta hampsta's links you have unknown karate people taking on one of the best fighters in the Gracie clan. I would imagine anyone would have trouble beating him. It also depends on if you are talking about the Brazilian or Japanese variety of Ju Jitsu.

On any given day any one can beat anyone else, unless they are so far outclassed that it is not importent what they train.

One thing to remember is that in general the weakest part of BJJ is it's take downs. It is probably the best once you are too the ground, however Judo and Japanese Ju Jitsu have far superior take downs. Again it all depends on the fighter.

Edit for leons- I do not actually do BJJ, but I have talked to a lot of guys on here that actually do, and BJJ main weak point is getting it to the ground. Not to say all BJJ schools are like this, I am sure many or not, but the Gracies really tried to focus more on what happened after they hit the ground. They essentially forgot about some of the more damaging Judo throws. Between the two I would say that Judo definetly has the better take downs and throws. I am sure that a good BJJ person would find a way, but I would rather face a BJJ person starting on the feet then a Judo ka. I may be totally wrong on this point, because I am far from an expert.

Just my opinion and what I have observed.

Answer 8

It depends. If the grappler can get the Karateka on the ground then he has a good chance of winning. It really depends on the fighter. The grappler could shoot for the leg and get a hard roundhouse to the head and the fights over. That's why it's better to have good training in stand up AND ground fighting.

I am assuming you mean Brazilian Jujitsu and not Japanese Jujitsu.

Answer 9

I am bias because I took up BJJ not long ago. What people say about trying to play to your strong side is true. I used to do Taekwondo when I was young. Now that I'm older and slower I took up BJJ as I think it is the chance I have and strong emphasis on the I part. There are guys that are fast and have great hand and feet that would level me before the clinch I realize that. I just operate that if I should ever get into a confrontation (protect myself or loved ones, not to prove a point or to be a tough guy) that something is better than nothing. I'll also train in the MMA aspects also and keep some of the priciples that I learned in TaeKwondo to try to become as complete as I can be. I think that it is 100% correct though about the practitioner being the key. I mean the Gracies were raised in Jujitsu so they already have an advantage. Oh, I have a question for Katana. I thought that a lot to all of the takedowns in BJJ ARE Judo takedowns. I only thought that because the origins of BJJ are actually JUDO. It is just that some schools concentrate less on the complete game and focus on the sporting or Competition portions of it. Just like Judo concentrates on the throws a lot. Please tell me if I'm wrong because if I am I'll need to consider cross training in a little Judo for the throws. Thanks for bringing it to my attention Katana.

Answer 10

Could you please be more clear weather you mean Brazilian Jujitsu (BJJ) or Jujitsu. If you were talking about BJJ then  the 100 percent correct answer would be that no art is better then another and it all depends on who is using the art. Certain arts may be better suited then others for you but none is better for all. I think even though some may disagree I would say BJJ beats Karate hands down. I think that Mixed Martial arts has shown us that A Black Belt in karate with much bigger muscles to go farther will loose to a Bjj guy. Now in days everyone knows BJJ if they are a Mixed Martial arts fighter but with out some BJJ training of there own Karate will loose. Thats what I think