Kocking a ball of the chest in rugby doenst constitute a knock on. Now debate?

Question

"Taxi" who replied that he played rugby for 30 yrs stated that you knock on a ball if it hits your chest and propells forward. If you understand the laws of the game you must propell the ball forward whilst in you prossesion or trying to gain possesion, now if you can show me how you hold a ball on your chest in rugby then lose possesion I will be dammed. You should no your game before you question my knowledge. I would like some sort of decent answers who actually know the game and not idiots that don't have a clue. Give me your best !!! I will choose the best answer either way you decide!!! I'm kiwi its our national sport now prove me wrong or right!!!

Answer 1

Have a read of the question and my reply, instead of "lensta's" misguided interpretation of what I said.

Here's the link to the original question:

<>http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/ind...

So what's your definition of "an idiot" lensta? Anyone who doesn't agree with you? Nice logic pal.......

Lensta, "cuzzy bro", it's YOU that needs to learn the laws of the game. As I said to you before, just because you're a kiwi, doesn't make you correct!! Why even bother to bring that point up, is it supposed to impress us all? I see no need to tell you which country I'm from......... let's just say it's in the southern hemisphere ;-)

''You should no your game before you question my knowledge" - oh that's right, sorry.....you're a kiwi so you MUST be right. When was the last time NZ won a world cup in their "national sport"?? 1987 wasn't it?? I'm impressed now, "bro"...

IRB LAW 17. KNOCK-ON OR THROW-FORWARD

"A knock-on occurs when the ball travels forward towards the direction of the opponents' dead-ball line after a player loses possession of it".

Here's a little scenario for you:

RWC quarter final, NZ vs France - a centre (let's call him Frederick Michalak for sake of this argument) runs into a gap, but the pass from the fly half is thrown too hard at him. The ball bounces off Michalak's chest (it didn't touch his arms at all), then hits the ground in front of him. He scoops it up, continues through the gap & scores under the posts. France convert the try & beat the AB's by a point. AB's go home early from yet another RWC. The rest of the world laughs at them AGAIN!!!! (What is it now, the 5th time this has happened???).

Now, are you telling me that you think this is within the laws of the game, and it was a fair try? Or would you be calling for the ref's head on a platter???? Be honest with yourself now.....

Here's another scenario:

Bledisloe Cup, 3rd Test - AB's kick off, ball goes deep to the opposition fullback (let's call him Chris Latham). Latham "chests" the ball (sort of like a soccer player does), the ball drops at his feet, then he picks the ball up & runs with it. Are you trying to tell us all that this isn't a knock on either?

If what you're trying to say is correct, don't you think that a load of players would use it to their advantage? I mean, using their chest to knock a ball through a gap in the defence, then gather it off the ground on the run? Now, we all know you can't tackle a player without the ball, (don't we??) so your little idea would work a treat, wouldn't it? It just doesn't happen like that though, does it? Come on, you've played for 25 years - have you ever seen that happen????? Honest answer please!!!!

The answer is there in plain English - IRB Law 17. If you want to think that it isn't a knock on, then fine, I'm not going to argue with you about it any further. Keep it up with your narrow minded maori ignorance, ''cuz''.

Better still, why don't you give it a go next time you're playing & see what the ref rules?? Then you can have this argument with him. After that, you can have a 10 minute rest on the bench to re-assess your interpretations of the laws of the game ;-)

(PS - Knocking, doesn't, propel, possession, know.......... you've shown your lack of education with your 2nd grade spelling and grammar.......)

Answer 2

its a knock on the ball can come off your shoulder or your stomach  you could get falconed and even off your chest even if you had your backed turned and it bounces of your bum and goes forward the refs gonna ping you

Answer 3

LAW 17. KNOCK-ON OR THROW-FORWARD

A knock-on occurs when the ball travels forward towards the direction of the opponents' dead-ball line afte

Answer 4

it has to be clearly off the chest only, if it looks doubtful, along chest and off shoulder etc... it is safer to call knock on. its better to win a game based on skill than to fluke it.

Answer 5

I do know that the ball can go off your head and forward without it being called a knock on

Answer 6

A knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it. This would also include the chest. If it hits your head only and goes forward , it is NOT a knockon

‘Forward’ means towards the opposing team's dead-ball line.

Also

EXCEPTION:

Charge down. If a player charges down the ball as an opponent kicks it, or immediately after the kick, it is not a knock-down though the ball may travel forward.

Answer 7

I didnt read "taxi's" answer but what i gather from your question/debate taxi may have been talking from a gathering point of view.  if the ball is kicked and you attempt to catch the ball and it bounces off your chest a majority of the rulings will be in favour of a knock-on.  Its very rare that the person will try and catch the ball and completely miss it with their hands hence knocking it on.  

knocking a ball off the chest not constitute a knock on but its not very often a ball will miss your hands on its way to your chest isnt it?

as for carrying it with the chest.  gotta haves ome mean muscles for that.