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Life Science has proven that all life (here) was created by Bacteria into DNA to us. (help please, details)?

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This is a question that i just need to know the answer to. I have been confused on religion and spirituality for some time now. But lets forget that for now. If Science (Life) has proven that all life on Earth was made through evolution (basically from Bacteria to DNA to us) this would be the very start of life right? So why are we confused about religion and spirituality? I think its because every living thing carries different everything including differences and forms different Religion & Spirituality. So does this prove that all Religion & Spirituality is just simply belief and only belief? some religions & spirituality say Gods Goddesses or source of life is already in us. But since Life Science proves that were just part of evolution then does this also mean religion and spirituality is human made (man made?) i also would like some excellent sources and the best knowledge you have on this... thanks everyone.

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  1. Nothing will ever disprove God because we can't find an absolute beginning. Something can't come from nothing, to me that both proves eternity and further confuses me about an ever-lasting God. Have faith, don't have faith. Make your own decision but just don't be a douche about it.

    Logically, God doesn't exit.

    Religiously, logic can't prove/disprove that God exists.


  2. Religion is a human construct.  It was originally created to describe the unexplainable.  It would rain 100 miles away and a flash flood would wipe out a village.  Drought destroys a year's crops.  An earthquake would hit, or a volcano would erupt.  Someone would become sick unexpectedly.  Prior to the application of science these experiences were quite scary for lack of understanding how they occured.  The natural response by early man was to hand the responsibilty of such events over to a "greater force" and henceforth religions popped up all over the globe to allow man to move on when hit by the unexplainable.  When more complicated social structures came about through the development of civilization, those who were in control of religion began to realize that they could control society and those who were in control of the state realized that they needed to have control of the society.  Based on these forces, an age-old tug of war between religion and state developed.  In some cases opposing religions were encompased into the threatened state (Roman Catholic Church), in other cases the state would create new religious doctrine that was more acceptable to their people (Church of England) and in yet other cases States would try to create barriers from religion (USSR) based on the simple realization of calling religion for what it is... a method of controlling people as shown in the frequently coined term "opiate of the people".  This last model devoid of relegion, however, did not succeed... why?  It appears that people like to be controlled more subtly by religion then by brute force of Stalin's iron fist.  The point of all this being that Religion was constructed, adapted and restricted throughout our history simply as a means to manipulate society.  If something terrible happened it was easier for the state to lay the blame off on "god" and to simply say "only god knows why this happened", we shall "leave it in the hands of god"... whatever, it's all the same, a scapegoat.  Yet when society had successful years you can be sure that the state would claim responsibility and go about collecting their taxes as they talk about how their vague decisions improved the economy, or that their irrigation project defeated the drought.  Of course the church took their cut as well, 10% for christians please!  Where did that come from anyways?

    With the advance of science the unexplainable began to be explained.  An earthquake was no longer "gods bidding" and now the entire world knows which areas on the globe are more prone to seismic activity and can choose to live there or not and can construct buildings with this in mind to alleviate the amount of destruction that occurs.  When the Tsunami hit Indonesia and when Katrina hit New Orleans a lot of christians piped up that one event was an attack by God on the primarily muslim Indonesia and that Katrina happened because of the sinful nature rampant in New Orleans.  They forgot to mention that the french district was not badly damaged by the hurricane, or that many synagogues were left standing all over Indonesia due to their pillar style construction which did not create much drag from the onrushing water.  At the same time christians will rave about... say a church near Paricutin Volcano in the state of Michoacan, Mexico which, although badly damaged, was the only structure remotely recognizable after a lava flow wiped out the village there.  Suddenly this "act of god" is proof that god is real because their church survives the natural disaster... hey wasn't it built of stone while the rest of the buildings in that town were made of wood?  It is interesting to see how similiar events are construed in completely polar directions by those biased by religion.  All said, science allows a more appropriate and rational explanation of all of these events which were previously dominated by religious description.  That is why there is a surge in people turning to science because people, on a whole, like explanations that have incorporate reason and allow for the development of knowledge through the scientific method that can lead to predicting and preparing for such disasters rather then mindlessly hiding under "god's wing" as we had for millenia.  Now we put in Tsunami detection systems so that American or Japanese lifes can be saved if one were to hit the pacific.  As I mentioned before, buildings can be constructed to withstand earthquakes of a reasonable force, again of which America and Japan are of primary advantage while villages in Iran and South America... (wait isn't S. America a bastion for Catholicism?) are being destroyed because their construction is still not as scientifically advanced.

    In the end, the final battle between science and religion comes down to "infinity".  Scientifically, we know what this term means, but within our minds it is an impossible term to truly wrap your brain around.  It is this single word that will ensure that relegion pushes on.  The reason why I pick this word is beacause no matter which force you believe to be responsible for our existence, they both depend on infinity.  The Big Bang relies on an either A) an infinite time frame allowing for the expansion and contraction of the Universe in a cyclical pattern recreating itself in an infinite amount of space over and over an infinite number of times (if the mass of the universe is enough that gravity reverses our expansion) or B) has encountered one Big Bang and will expand for infinity but this begs the question of what was before the initial Big Bang. (if the mass of the universe is not enough such that our universal expansion is not reversed)  Religion, on the other hand, rests solidly on "infinity" as well, by doing what our species has always done, turning the unexplainable over to, you got it, "GOD the infinite".  I don't know if we'll ever be able to fully wrap our brains around this term, I doubt it, and so long as it exists as such a powerful word, God will still have the power that this word lends him.

  3. It was not bacteria but an Amiba perhaps. And you know that first life form has not died yet. Just think, in four seconds it reproduces it's carbon copy by dividing it's cell, again those two cells into four , four into eight, and so on all over these millions of years. First life form still does exist.

  4. Consider this timeline...

    2.5 Billion years ago, the first algae formed around geothermal ducts at the bottom of the ocean...

    2 Billion years ago, at the same location, some of these plants successfully mutated, into forms that exhibited properties that are classified as half plant/half animal...

    1 Billion years ago, the Ocean Sponge appeared, and is the common ancestor to all living animals, both under the sea and on the earth's surface...

    What this means, is that animals breath in oxygen, and breath out carbon dioxide, and plants do the opposite...

    In essence, the theory of evolution posits that from algae to Homo Sapiens, is 2.5 Billion years of adaptation, through successful mutation, due to a series of varied environmental changes, with DNA being the transmitter of information during reproduction...

    Human spiritual feelings have probably been around for a long time, but organized religions have only surfaced with the onset of agriculture (within the past 10-15,000 years or so), during the transit from Hunting & Gathering to the enjoyment of a storable annual food source (grains)...

    Granaries consistently supply evidence for the locations of the first known temples. Religion was probably invented out of gratitude for the leisure it provided...

  5. Religion is man made, as when human brain began to decompartimentailized, the first have tried to explain death, or at least to find an identification. But before death, it was observations about the sun, what is it, why he turn around in the sky. So the process to explain natural processes began slowly as the early vocabulary was not really capable to sustain complex phenomenon. So when the naming of things began, the categorization of natural elements and phenomenons began at the same time. Since observation tools of the time were not really existing, the first explainations were somewhat vague.

    Just to make an experience, try to live in a complete wilderness for a while, and you will become much more sensitive to the environment and maybe begin your own interpretation of natural phenomenon, that could help your survival.

    Anyways, religion began to solve (illusory mean to solve), the lack of influence early humans were having on their environment. So by trying to explained how the world should work, we could come up with better tools to survive in such world... So todays religions are mainly the end results of how the world should work, since such religion has contributed to the survival of the most...

  6. Read Micheal Behe's new book, " The Edge of Evolution".

    You'll see that true science totally debunks such evolution theories as you describe. Which as you say; does cause a conflict with belief in God, (the creator) and belief in man as more then just the most evolved animal.

  7. life science really doesnt "prove" anything. life science is just a way for scientists to try to figure out a "logical" reason for the creation of the world. how can bacteria creat such complex system. have u look at us.our bodies is a very complex system. relgion and spirtitulity is not a simple belief. not really.religion is not man made. its from God.

  8. religion is man made.

    b/c people like to think they are part of something bigger.

  9. how could bacteriacreate anything, they can't even get around a laboratory.

  10. There are simpler forms of life than bacteria. Life may originally have started as RNA, not DNA. RNA is simpler.

    The simplest forms of life as we know them are protein strands such as prions, these are simpler than viruses. They cause diseases such as Mad Cow Disease. Simpler than this we get onto molecules which are clearly not living.

    As to how life began, well, that's a big question. See link below for big answer.

    My personal opinion, for what it is worth, is that wherever you go, there are examples of inorganic molecules adding to themselves, in the form of crystals. Now, there is nothing guiding them to do this, but, if you have the right solution, crystals will form with no effort required. There is nothing to stop some organic molecules doing the same, given the right conditions. Who is to say that some molecules, in a nice warm, sulphur-rich volcanic vent under the sea, given enough time, could not have crystallised into organic molecules. They are, after all, composed of the same ingredients as inorganic molecules.  And they had the time; half a billion years after the Earth was formed, life appeared.

  11. we've evolved into a strange species that comes up with crazy ideas to explain our universe.

  12. if we evolved from lower life forms we weren't there to realize it and if we were created by some super intelligence we weren't originally given any awareness of that either so the question is moot get a life we live in the present .

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