Lippit and Government Morgans?

Question

I have been asked to go with a friend to look at Morgans with Lippit and Government lines. I confess I don't know much about the Morgan breed, much less the specific lines. What is helpful to know or avoid with these lines. Any helpful advise is appreciate.

Thanks.

Answer 1

1CrossMare answered great!!!!!!!!

I don't have Lippit lines. I don't care for their butts, normally. Pointy like.  I like the Goverment lines!!!! UVM lines are great horses!! They all are but I like those lines much better. More Morgan "type bodies". I don't think there any lines to avoid, it is just per person type thing.

Morgan Families

There are four widely recognized families in the Morgan breed, which are briefly described below. A family is a group of horses from the same breeding program that have ancestors in common. The largest families are the Brunk, Government, Lippitt, and Western Working. There are also smaller "sub-families", which are horses descended from one horse or a particular breeding program.

Brunk Family

Morgans that trace to the breeding program of Joseph Brunk in Illinois are generally known for their soundness and athletic ability. Brunk's program revolved around breeding key mares, primarily of old Vermont breeding, to the best stallions available. Most Brunk Morgans have the mare Daisy numerous times in their pedigree. She was crossed with the stallions Ben Franklin, Senator, Jubilee De Jarnette, and Chetco, and the offspring crossed back to each other, creating a family linebred to Daisy.

Lippitt Family

Morgans tracing to several of the horses originating from the breeding program of Robert Lippitt Knight in Vermont are known today as "Lippitts". Morgans bred by Knight bear the prefix "Lippitt" at the beginning of their name and trace to the stallion Ethan Allen 2nd. Today two Morgan clubs cater to breeders who specialize in the Lippitt family lines. Their contact information can be found in the list of Related Links to Morgan clubs under "National Service Organizations."

Government Family

Morgans bred by the U.S. Government farm between 1905-1951 are called Government Morgans. The Government farm used the stallion General Gates as their foundation sire. It is the largest of the Morgan families. The U.S. Government dispersed the herd in 1950, with the University of Vermont purchasing many of the breeding stock to carry on the Government program.

Working Western Family (sometimes referred to as 2WF)

These horses do not have one breeder or ancestor in common but have a common purpose: to work the western ranges of the United States. Working Western Morgans drew from the Government stallions shipped out west to improve the quality of offspring from local mares, as well as Morgans from breeding programs in Kansas, California, Nevada and Texas. Breeders who specialize in working western lines can be found in the list of Morgan Clubs under the list of National Service Organizations at http://www.morganhorse.com/resources/lin...

Here is the link to the Morgan horse site. VERY good info!!!!!!  If you have more questions please E-mail me!!!!!!

http://www.morganhorse.com/resources/inf...

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Here is my little tid bit of info that I think is really cool!!

The Quarter horse stallion Joe Bailey was a son of Headlight Morgan. Jubilee King, a famous Morgan, was also registered under the Quarter Horse name of Yellow Jacket. Yet another well-known Quarter Horse sire, Joe Hancock, was sired by Redolent, a son of the Morgan Red Oak. In 1920 the King Ranch of Kingsville, Texas, purchased the two-year-old colt Lucky from the U.S. Government Farm for the purpose of upgrading the stock horses they were breeding. Countless Morgan mares were purchased from farms in Illinois and turned out on the range in the King Ranch remuda but can not be identified as the offspring they produced where shown as being out of “Morgan Mare” in the original AQHA registry books.

Ninety-percent of today’s Saddlebreds carry Morgan blood. The original list of stallions selected as foundation sires by the National Saddle Horse Breeder’s Association in 1899 included the Morgan stallions Cabell’s Lexington and Coleman’s Eureka. Today, the majority of Saddlebreds carry Morgan blood through the Black Hawk grandsons, Gist’s Black Hawk and Indian Chief; and the great-grandson, Peavine.

Tennessee Walking Horses owe much to early Morgan blood. The foundation sire, Allan F-1, traced to Black Hawk through his dam. His son, Roan Allen F-38, was also out of a mare tracing to Gifford Morgan.

The early Morgan contributed bottom, stamina, substance and purity of gait at the trot to the lines of the American Standardbred, enhancing the speed later given to the breed by the Hambletonian stallion.

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Thank you 1CM!!!!!!!  I want to go visit the UVM ranch! That would be great!! Let me tell you that was a good answer for not being into them so much!!!!

Answer 2

The Lippitt Morgan is a line bred horse that is bred to encompass the positive attributes of the original Morgan.

Here is some info you may find helpful:

The Lippitt is a distinct horse in that it has no recent out-crosses to other breeds, resulting in the highest percentage of the original blood available today. Therefore, Lippitts also possess more of the original type and qualities of their founder, Figure, otherwise known as Justin Morgan. They are celebrated for their versatility, willingness to please, disposition, type, and overall beauty.

The Lippitt Foundation Stock

The Foundation Stock were chosen by three criteria:

1 - They must be registered Morgans.

2 - They must have as close a cross to our 'cornerstone' Peters' Ethan Allen 2nd 406 as possible.

3 - They must have produced at least one direct line of descent evidenced in our present 'Lippitt' population. Since, to be considered a Lippitt a horse must be totally derived from this Foundation Stock, criteria for their selection is crucial. All Lippitts trace back, on every line of their pedigree to the following foundation horses:

STALLIONS

    * Croydon Prince 5325 (1890)

    * Rob Roy 4483 (1893)

    * Donald 5224 (1904)

    * Bob B. 5282 (1905)

    * Welcome 5702 (1907)

    * Sir Ethan Allen 6537 (1909)

    * Select 7266 (1923)

    * Bilirubin 7462 (1925)

MARES

    * Bonnie Jean 0343 (1895)

    * Polly Rogers 02109 (1896)

    * Lucille 01547 (1902)

    * Rose of Sutton 02232 (1904)

    * Bridget 02852 (1904)

    * Emily 03026 (1909)

    * Evelyn 06841 (1909)

    * Hippolyta 03222 (1910)

    * Nancy 03553 (1911)

    * Trilby 02532 (1911)

    * Susie 03786 (1915)

    * Lippitt Trixie X04695 (1916)

    * Croydon Mary 02900 (1917)

    * Jenny Woodbury 03258 (1917)

    * Lippitt Sallie 04565 (1918)

    * Lucinne 04542 (1918)

    * Hannah 03196 (1919)

Government Morgans are Morgans bred by the US government as Cavalry Mounts.

Here is a link:

http://www.sportmorgan.com/families/

Happy Horse Hunting. The Morgan is a fine breed!

EDIT - Hopefully American Made Morgan with answer your post. She knows more about Morgans that I do   :))

EDIT #2 To AM Morgan - You go girl.

The only reason I know anything at all about Morgans is because I studied TWH pedigrees...and because I visited the University of Vermont Stud years ago. But mainly its the Allen line of TWHs that really made the foundation of the Walking horse breed strong....IMHO....  :) If you look at the old Walking horse photos, you can really see the Morgan traits.