MORMONS: The "same gospel" that Jesus preached?...explain these contrasts between The Bible and BookofMormon?

Question

The Bible and Mormon Writings—A Study in Contrasts

Bible: Although the exact site is unknown, the garden of Eden was probably in the Mesopotamian region by the Euphrates River.—Genesis 2:11-14.

Doctrine and Covenants: Garden of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri, U.S.A.—Doctrine and Covenants 57, as explained by President J. F. Smith.

Bible: The soul dies.—Ezekiel 18:4; Acts 3:23.

The Book of Mormon: “The soul could never die.”—Alma 42:9.

Bible: Jesus was born in Bethlehem.—Matthew 2:1-6.

The Book of Mormon: Jesus was to be born in Jerusalem.—Alma 7:10.

Bible: Jesus was begotten by holy spirit.—Matthew 1:20.

Journal of Discourses: Jesus was not begotten by holy spirit. He was begotten in the flesh by Adam’s having intercourse with Mary.—Journal of Discourses, Volume I, pages 50-1.

Bible: New Jerusalem to be in heaven.—Revelation 21:2.

The Book of Mormon: New Jerusalem, earthly, to be built by men in Missouri, U.S.A.—3 Nephi 21:23, 24; Doctrine and Covenants 84:3, 4.

Bible: Writers of the Bible were inspired to write God’s thoughts.—2 Peter 1:20, 21.

The Book of Mormon: Its prophets are said to have written according to their own knowledge.—1 Nephi 1:2, 3; Jacob 7:26.

Bible: Mosaic Law, including tithing, terminated by the death of Jesus. Contributions are to be voluntary, not under compulsion.—2 Corinthians 9:7; Galatians 3:10-13, 24, 25; Ephesians 2:15.

Doctrine and Covenants: “Verily it is . . . a day for the tithing of my people; for he that is tithed shall not be burned (at his [the Lord’s] coming).”—Doctrine and Covenants 64:23.

Answer 1

No idea what to really say other than it's a different interpretation, like a lot of denominations have. That's why there are different faiths to begin with, they all have different ways of looking at holy text.  

Answer 2

These are some fairly fatal contradictions.

What I find funny is you haven't really even touched upon the part of "good works" versus "Christ's gift of salvation".

That alone is a very big flaw.

Also I believe it has been stated that Joseph Smith... ahem.... SAID his religion was false on his death bed, and that he was using it as an experiment to see how far people would go in believing in something. I'm not sure on the accuracy, however.

It probably doesn't help their case that Mormonism is not a denomination of Christianity, but rather a separate religion.

oh sure, they mention Jesus.  But so have cults, and their leaders claiming to be Jesus, etc.

Answer 3

Mormanism is the stupidest thing I ever heard of, they're even crazier than regular Christians, which says something!

Answer 4

Hm, looks to me like Bekah was right when she called you on your intent of asking this question for no reason but to attack another faith in the question you asked that is almost an exact copy and paste onto this one.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;...

Obviously, you have no interest in learning, only in trolling.  Otherwise, why ask the same question twice, except to hope that you will pull out those that enjoy attacking people of a different faith from themselves.  Y'know - when you do that to people for being a different race, it's called bigotry.  I don't see any difference here.

Answer 5

You are all idiots to believe any of this

Answer 6

Nice cut 'n paste job! *rolls eyes*

http://3xw.godlikeproductions.com/forum1...

Next time answer a question YOU have not someone else's.

Isn't it ironic how the original poster's name is "Anonymous Coward"?

Answer 7

Perhaps you should look at some of the scriptures you are quoting in context.

It's obvious to me that you don't really care about knowing more about the gospel. You just want to argue your points and cause problems.

EDIT: JazzBear... Joseph Smith was shot and fell out a window. He didn't have a 'death bed' to deny anything on. I believe his last words as he fell were "O Lord, My God."

Answer 8

Oh, don't forget the real biggie:  "What man is, God once was; and what God is, man can become" and contrast that with satan's temptation to Eve, "You shall become like god ... ", along with Isaiah's words, "There were no gods before me, there are no gods with me, and no gods were formed after me.  I alone am God, and there is no other."  (So, how can we become a god, when God said it just doesn't happen?.

Answer 9

>>Bible: Although the exact site is unknown, the garden of Eden was probably in the Mesopotamian region by the Euphrates River.—Genesis 2:11-14.

Doctrine and Covenants: Garden of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri, U.S.A.—Doctrine and Covenants 57, as explained by President J. F. Smith.

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So you are mad because we have a more precise location that contradicts your supposed location??  Sad.

>>Bible: Jesus was born in Bethlehem.—Matthew 2:1-6.

The Book of Mormon: Jesus was to be born in Jerusalem.—Alma 7:10.

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AT Jerusalem..AT AT AT...not in.  At lest get the quote right if you are going to try and condemn us with it.

>>Bible: New Jerusalem to be in heaven.—Revelation 21:2

The Book of Mormon: New Jerusalem, earthly, to be built by men in Missouri, U.S.A.—3 Nephi 21:23, 24; Doctrine and Covenants 84:3, 4.

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Actually, if you read both sources..you will find it is both.

>>The Book of Mormon: Its prophets are said to have written according to their own knowledge.—1 Nephi 1:2, 3; Jacob 7:26.

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Where to start on this one.  Simple...read the title page.  that will help explain a lot.

>>Bible: Mosaic Law, including tithing, terminated by the death of Jesus. Contributions are to be voluntary, not under compulsion.—2 Corinthians 9:7; Galatians 3:10-13, 24, 25; Ephesians 2:15.

Doctrine and Covenants: “Verily it is . . . a day for the tithing of my people; for he that is tithed shall not be burned (at his [the Lord’s] coming).”—Doctrine and Covenants 64:23.

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Ok..the 2 verses you have given are both correct.  No one is compelled to do anything that the Lord has asked...but those who DO what is asked will not burn at judgment.  FREE WILL

Hope this helps,

M

Answer 10

One was written by those who were inspired by and listened to God. The other was written by a human hanging upside down and uptight because he was lacking blood he desparately wanted from anyone dumb enough to hang around his cave, so he turned himself into a prophit.

Answer 11

Yawn!

1- "Bible: Although the exact site is unknown, the garden of Eden was probably in the Mesopotamian region by the Euphrates River.—Genesis 2:11-14."  Well, it wasn't. it was in Jackson County Mo.  Fact is the bible doesn't tell us, it speaks of the earth being divided in the days of Peleg and one giant mass before then.  We have many generations between Adam and Noah and then Noah gets on a boat and floats around for about a year, I never read the part about the anchor keeping him in one spot.  Jackson County is a plausible as the Euphrates is you take the bible to be literal.

2 - Soul has the following meanings in the bible:  1) a regular human who is alive, 2) a regular human who is dead 3) the spirit of a man in a living human, 4) a man's spirit without a body.    This is kind of a give-away that you read these off some website since if you had read the bible you'd see that your narrow definition contradicts itself oer and over in the bible, therefore any extra-biblical contradiction is not a contradiction but merely a similarity.  The solution - buy a dictionary.

3 - Alma states that Jesus will be born "at Jerusalem" and Bethlehem is at Jerusalem.  500 years after Lehi left Jerusalem it would be odd for these people to still know the little city which is a suburb of Jerusalem who's only famous resident was a Shepperd turned king named David and who's city name means "house of bread".  It also would be a ridiculous mistake for Joseph Smith to have made, however, in saying "at Jerusalem" he allowed the text to point out that these guys didn't know the difference.  In all probability if I ask you where you're from you will say the largest city nearby, and chances are you don't live there in the actual city.

So far you're 0 for 3.

4 - "Journal of Discourses: Jesus was not begotten by holy spirit. He was begotten in the flesh by Adam’s having intercourse with Mary.—Journal of Discourses, Volume I, pages 50-1."  Clearly you misunderstood that; that's not even close to anything that Brigham Young said.  Don't take this personally because I doubt you thought up these items on your own, but the person saying who came up with this has no clue what they are saying.  Nephi spells out how Jesus was born "a virgin conceived".  Enough said.

5 - Rev 21 doesn't limit it to heaven and Isaiah places it on the earth.

6 - This argument has more holes than a spaghetti strainer.  Men are inspired of God and thoughts are put into their head what to write, prophet's thoughts are God's thoughts.

7 - LOL, did you find a footnote on D&C 64:23?  It happens to come from Malachi.  So somehow we have a contradiction with the bible, even when we quote the bible?  By the way, contributions are voluntary and not under compulsion.

Clearly 3 things are obvious from this:

1 - You've never read the bible

2 - You haven't taken the time to really investigate the Book of Mormon

3 - You have something against the LDS faith and rather than doing real research based on spiritual learning (yes, I said learning) you took another man's word for it and base your salvation on someones blog post.

There is only one way to save yourself from ignorance and that's to learn, and there is only one way to learn about the Book of Mormon and that's to read it.

Answer 12

When the ark landed, the occupants assumed they were on the same continent, even though it looked completely different (it was in those days that the Earth was divided).  They looked for the main rivers and found some which they named after the original rivers despite the fact that these rivers don't share the same fountainhead described in the Book of Genesis.  These latter rivers are no where near each other.  It is unlikely that a flood would have moved rivers hundreds of miles from each other, and changed their orientation.

The word soul sometimes refers to the combination of spirit and body and sometimes just to the spirit.  When the spirit is separated from the body, the soul dies.  Sin also causes the spirit to separate from the body and is a type of death.  The spirit never dies, although it is called a spiritual death when a spirit is removed from the presence of God.

Bethlehem is in the land of Jerusalem.  Lehi himself did not live in Jerusalem, but within the land of Jerusalem, since he lived without the city walls.

Jesus was literally the Son of God.  I believe you are misquoting the Journal of Discourses (which isn't official anyway).  Born of the spirit usually refers to someone receiving the Gift of the Holy Ghost.  I was born of the spirit too.  It is a good thing that we have modern prophets who can clear up such confusing issues.

The New Jerusalem is in heaven, but will come down to Earth to join the New Jerusalem which we will build here.  Don't worry, if you have a curious mind and a little faith, you can learn all about it in time.

Bible prophets also wrote according to their knowledge - they testified of the resurrected Christ, didn't they?  Book of Mormon prophets were also inspired, and gained their knowledge through prayer.

Abraham actually paid tithes to Melchizedek long before Moses was born.  Tithing is not specific to the Mosaic law.

Answer 13

don't worry John M. I can easily tear them to shreads doctrinally because they are idiots. But I'll use you as an example.

4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

So John M. As a non religious person who doesn't believe in religion. What do those 2 verse mean. Does it mean that our spirits die or does it mean that they will die spiritually, according to if it sins or not.

Answer 14

Mormons have clearly another gospel and another Jesus

Answer 15

Look at your other question where you asked the same thing.  Good answers were provided there.  Didn't you read them?

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;...

Answer 16

I'll just address one.  I read the Journal of Discourses volume 1, pages 50 thru 51, and it doesn't say what is alleged here.  It doesn't even talk about the physical act of intercourse.  About the closest it comes is using the word "beget".  Given that the Bible does call Jesus God's only begotten son, use of the word "beget" should be okay.

So, whoever published this list wasn't careful to check things out.

Answer 17

Garden of Eden: Don't know much about this, but of course, we don't know where it was, and  the descriptions could be either place.

The soul: don't know much about this either, but it doesn't sound to me like the Bible verses are talking about the same thing as the Book of Mormon verse. One is talking about a more temporal existence, not the literal soul, and the book of Mormon IS talking about the literal soul.

Jesus was born: Ah, this one I know, Yes, Jesus WAS born IN Bethlehem, but the Book of Mormon does not say that Jesus was born IN Jerusalem, it says He was born AT Jerusalem. Bethlehem is only about five miles from Jerusalem. It is AT Jerusalem.

The people of the Book of Mormon, at Alma's time, were on the other side of the world from Jerusalem. They would have heard of it, but Bethlehem would probably mean nothing to them. It's almost like saying that someone was born in San Francisco, because they'd never heard of Daly City (the next city south of SF), which was where they were actually born.

"that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."

Luke 1:35....The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:

So, Jesus is the Son of the Holy Ghost and not God? I don't see that it says this here. the POWER of the Holy Ghost came upon her but not really that it was the Holy Ghost that made her pregnant.

However, there is nothing anywhere that says that there was actual sexual intercourse going on. Not even in the J of D's, which are not really official sources of information anyway.

Rev. 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.



It came from heaven to the New Earth.

There will be two "Jerusalems" from what I understand; the old where the true Jewish people will gather and the New, where the gentiles will.

The Book of Mormon is a record of a people, but 1 Nephi 1:2,3 does not say that nothing of the Book of Mormon was not inspired, nor does it preclude it being the Word of God. Whether the words themselves were inspired, or the book was, it's another testament of Jesus Christ. It's as much the word of God as the Bible.

tithing, yes, we are no longer under the compulsion of the law to pay it, but that does not mean that it is not necessary. The Bible also says that one who gives receives blessings and those who don't receive nothing. Also, if no one tithes, then how does the church run?

There are no contradictions, except for your own interpretation of these verses. That's all.

Answer 18

If Mormons are wrong - I don't want to be right!

All your "claims" are easily explained, but I highly doubt you would accept them anyways, so why bother?

Try looking at fairlds.org