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Men, do you ever feel tired of trying to prove how masculine you are?

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Quite a few men here have complained about how too many of their counterparts have become "feminized." From where I stand, certain "female" characteristics are now becoming acceptable for both sexes, just as certain "male" characteristics have become. Is there a problem with this? Do you think some men suppress their true natures in the name of manliness?

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  1. I couldn't be arsed. I am what I am.


  2. I 'm not convinced that  masculinity is entirely based on the right expectations anyway.  I just try to be the best and most decent human being I can.  The most enduring attributes should be assigned to both genders in my opinion. Some would call this feminization or neutering.  I feel it's just the progression of the human race.

    Edit-I have somehow been able to find women who will accept me as a man regardless of my being oblivious to gender expectations.  I wonder though, how much pressure to

    prove masculinity comes from the fear that women will find a man to puppy-ish to be desirable.  Quite a few women are still attracted to the very alpha-males that they complain about.  I've heard quite a few women out here say that they date or marry the men out here that they do because they don't feel they can  do any better.  Yet they  go back to get the same type of male again and again.  In defense of men who go over-board not every guy is as fortunate as I am.  

    If you don't get to  interact with women who will allow you to be as gender-neutral  as you want too you'll feel forced to conform to the traditional expectations.

  3. well if i bothred trying to prove it, i might get tired. but im too lazy to try to prove outdated ideas to people who dont care about them. anyway women dont pay attention to your masculinity usually so is mostly seems to be done for other guys, makes me wonder hmmmmm.

  4. Common or prevalent does not necessarily equate to acceptable.

  5. Hey, I walked forty-seven miles of barbed wire.  

    I got a cobra snake for a necktie.

    Got a brand new house out on the rural side, and it's 'a made outta rattlesnake hide.

    I got a (drunken mumble) and it's a bit on top and it's 'a made out of human skulls!

    So come on, talk a little walk with me baby and tell me who do you love...

    But seriously, proving my masculinity is not something that comes up for me often.  More often, I am trying to prove my self-worth to myself, and that, for me, has little to do with masculinity.  h**l, I LIKE strong, tough women!

    I'm not much for the biker-bar scene.  Roadhouse was just a movie.

  6. Can you define these characteristics?.

    The feminist message seems to be embrace your feminine, which is fine, and repress your masculine which is wrong.

    That's what you want from us, right?

    And if we do it, the playing field is even, we are expected to handicap ourselves, for you, so you can compete.

    EDIT fair enough, athough i was taking about feminism, men are asked to embrace femininity and repress their masculinity.

    I think the macho guy stereotype you are talking about is rare, in my world at least.

  7. We aren't trying to prove we are men, we are, if we are trying anything at all to stand independent of what appears to be against men being themselves.

    What is their to gain in society by suppressing themselves to be men (aka who they are)? What of looking at, what is to be gained by suppressing themselves to prove they in some way aren't quite the masculine nightmare, so many areas would either overtly or subtly suggest they are if they don't prove their femininity?

    Then we have one final area to look at, where has the issue of  'masculinity' in this context come from?

  8. I let my actions speak for themselves:

    When I push up I dont lift myself, I push the earth down.

    Once I ordered a Big Mac at Wendys. And got it.

    It takes me 20 minutes to watch 60 minutes.

    I once sold my urine in a can. Its now known as Red Bull.

    I use live rattlesnake as a condom....

    You be the judge!

  9. People are social creatures. Men are social creatures.

    Society defines parts of our personalities and certainly how we are raised and what we experience as children defines our outlook on life and personalities.

    People are redefining manliness, then turning around and saying "its wrong to define manliness" despite the fact that they themselves want to define it in a specific way

  10. 1. Why do you think that Rio gets to dictate what the natural state of men is?

    2. If feminists get upset with men telling them what they must do to be a woman, why should feminists tell men how they should act or what they should do?

    3. If you believe there is a 'natural state', then you actually don't believe in gender being a social construction.

  11. No, I m never tired of proving something which I don't have to prove in the first place. If I ever get tired, I ll switch to Viagra.

    " "female" characteristics are now becoming acceptable for both sexes" - What characteristics are you referring to?

    Edit : Lol ! Ronnie ! :-D.

  12. I don't feel I have to very often, so no.  Anyway, it doesn't concern me.

  13. No its not something that needs to be proved either your masculine or a girly boy. And really little wussy boys who cry all the time and try to be mr nice guy always get burned by the woman. So I will keep my pride and if i feel i need to cry punch myself and keep walking.

  14. I am tired of people who incite the comparison.

    SO MANY people just don't do enough work on themselves to pass judgment on those who do.

    I'm tired of the narrow mind, Rio.


  15. I never try to overtly demonstrate any masculine traits. Biology does most of the work for me.

    My opinions have on occasion caused people to accuse me of thinking like a woman. I know this isn't really true, it is just that there is often a fixed way for men to behave in public. However, I don't feel any pressure to please any people watching, so I carry on regardless.

  16. Why isn't it acceptable? Well, because throughout history women have preferred masculine, aggressive men, just as femininity evolved because of the innate preferences of men.

  17. i don't proves. people just know that i masculine.

  18. Not nearly often enough.

  19. No i am a man i know this,I don't feel required to prove it to anyone,with that being said i will not be made feel ashamed of it,and resort to Metrosexualism to prove to society that im not a part of the sexist chauvanistc Alpha male grouping,as far as suppressing no ive always being myself and showed my true feelings and emotions.

  20. h**l no.I don't have to prove anything to anybody,especially women. A woman will like me for who I am or not,but if she doesn't like the real me, tough but I will not change for her or any woman.

    I HAVE SPOKEN!

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