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Misandric and gynocentric feminist laws and societal changes simply due to the law of unintended consequences?

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Is it possible that VAWA was just an accident, along with everything MRAs seek to change (family court bias, custody bias, rape bias, domestic violence bias, legal bias, mental health bias, breast cancer bias etc....).

Or more likely that the feminist movement simply took advantage of the age old idea created by men - the female victim, the untouched virgin, the princess in the tower, the damsel in distress etc.... And simply used it against them, to gain preferential laws. Take note, that most of these laws were commissioned by men. And congress is not simply a legislative assembly predominantly composed of men looking out for men; they will more likely protect what society has traditionally deemed to be the more vulnerable s*x (since many men already feel they need to protect women in the first place).

The Men’s Rights Movement is not simply a backlash, like many feminists describe as “men having a tantrum after losing their privileges”. Some even compare it to the White Power movement in response to African-Americans gaining rights during the Civil Rights Era. However unlike the feminist movement, in America there aren’t any deep cultural traditions favoring blacks.

It’s pretty hard to talk about female power, without being laughed at or ridiculed, since it’s a subject of such taboo.

Here are some concrete examples:

“I personally don’t think women should be in combat, but that’s a personal view based on feeling that women are too valuable to be in combat” – Former Defence Secretary – Casper Weinberger – “This Week” ABC News, June 8th 1997.

Drunk drivers who kill women get prison sentences 56% longer than the prison sentences given to drunk drivers who kill men – Derived from the National Bureau of Economic Research at Harvard University – April 2000.

“It is an amazing thing to see in our city the wife of a shoemaker, or a butcher, or a porter dressed in silk with chains of gold at the throat, with pearls and rings of good value....and then in contrast to see her husband cutting the meat, all smeared with cow's blood, poorly dressed.... but whosever considers this carefully will find it reasonable, because it is necessary that the lady, even if low born and humble, be draped with such clothes for her natural excellence and dignity, and the man be less adorned as if a slave, or a little ***, born to her service” - Lucrezia Marinella, “The Nobility and Excellence together with the Defects and Deficiencies of Men”, 1600

“A boy is to be a boy, and then becomes a man. A boy becomes a man by gaining strength, courage and chivalry. He is taught to respect females as a higher category of mortal being” -- Karen De Coster, August 14th 2001.

“What bothers me most is the visible, although often unspoken, thread of contempt that runs through women’s conversations about men. The assumption very often is that men are boys who must be outfoxed, manipulated or dealt with in a calculated manner that women rarely use among themselves” —Phyllis Theroux in GQ, February 1986

“Looking at how easy it is for women to treat men in cruel ways is oddly liberating” —Naomi Wolf in her 1993 book Fire With Fire

Last of all one of the flaws of modern feminism, is the western centrism and triviality of what a lot of feminists are fighting for in the US, rather than focusing most of their efforts focused on the East.

Imagine a migrant farm worker in a steamy bunkhouse with a broken fan. Imagine a guest in a luxury hotel whose air conditioning isn’t working just right. Who is more likely to complain? Who has more to complain about? Sometimes a complaint tells us more about the expectations of the complainer than the actual circumstances the complainer is in.

What’s your view?

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  1. I think that ALL these quotes are sexist.  When someone holds another s*x up higher than another, this is sexist.  I strive to try to let people see the fallacy and sexism in these types of statements.  Women are not more valuable than men-- we are equal.  And if society tries to hold up women higher, than women will NEVER be treated the same.  For example, you mentioned women in combat-- but saying women are too valuable for for combat is restricting capable women from joining the combat arms.  A woman's life is NOT more valuable than a mans and she should be allowed the same choices of joining combat arms.

    As far as manipulating men for their own desires, this was a practice that women had to take part in long ago when women had no power themselves.  In this modern day where women can assert their own power through their own skills and effort, this sort of manipulation should be dead and a thing of the past.  

    As a woman (and feminist) I don't want to be thought of as "better" or "higher" or "more moral" simply because of my gender. I don't want to be considered as "more caring" or "more likely to complain" or "more capable of caring for children" simply because I am a woman.  I am an individual with individual skills, just as men are.  We are all capable of the same things and there as should all be treated the same.

    Holding women up to a higher scale or as "higher quality" only reenforces the unequal treatment of men and women.


  2. I think you're going to have to explain to us what "rape bias" and "breast cancer bias" are first before we can approach your argument logically.

  3. This could be of interest, regarding Feminist Jurisprudence:

    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article...

  4. The quotes you mentioned that come from feminists were written in tones of contempt, not appreciation. Wolf's Fire With Fire draws a line between "victim feminists," who think women have everything going wrong for them and take it all out on men, and "power feminists," who acknowledge sexism and are optimistic that they can overcome it or do away with it. The victim feminists (who, oftentimes, care so little about true equality that you can't even call them feminists) are the ones who either created or supported gynocentric laws.

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