Name a martail art that is more effective than BJJ/GJJ?

Question

people always say that Gracie Jiu-Jitsu is NOT the most effective martial art. in my opinion it IS but when they make that statement they never say which art beats it.

Answer 1

I answered your other question, and saw the best answer and your response, so my guess is that you are just looking to find somebody to agree with you.

Now let us supose all you know is GJJ. You are leaving somewhere with your wife/gf, child, etc. and you are attacked by two men. One occupies you. one occupies or hurts the person you are with.

You are walking out of wherever and somebody approaches you with a knife. You have no wehere to run. You know you take some shots getting a takedown, but these shots will slice tissue open and make you blled. Once you are on the ground you have too focus all of your attention on that knife, and guess what, a good knife fighter will slice your arms up while you are controlling the wrist.

You are attacked one on one. but it is on stairs or a steep slope, not an even flat surface. many of the techniques you practice wotn work because of the various levels.

BJJ people seem to have a hard time seperating self defense from a street fight. Self defense is not about ego, it is about surviving. in the above scenarios, any good striking art would be preferable to being forced to fight on the ground.

That being said I know it wont change your opinion, because 98% of fights go to the ground. Know what.. I asked a question for people who claimed that to find proof and they can't. Not saying BJJ is not great but if you think it is the be all end all do all you are very mistaken.

Answer 2

I prefer the heckler and koch G36 Carbine. No gym work,no grading and no bruises. Just 5.56mm of joy

Answer 3

I'm with draygin on this.

Any fool saying that the gracies know more about fighting than police or Special Forces is talking out their ***. Mixed Martial Arts is the result of people realizing the limitations of Traditional Martial Arts or singular arts like BJJ.

Royce Gracie was in one UFC since the family sold it and he LOST!!! He also tested positive for steroids so yes they are afraid of other fighters. Hybrid arts are without a doubt superior to the narrow focused Brazilian Ju Jitsu. The Gracie nuthuggers will never get that though.

You can learn everything the Gracies feel you need to about GJJ in a few weeks for a few grand. As far as being famous for beating a Gracie, come on, do you think they would let that out the Dojo door. There was a guy in Pasadena that the Gracies sent their students to fight at his school. He sent them packing. Back then you'd have gone to jail for fighting in a school like that, so no idiot would have filmed it like these morons do today. The Gracies have one big thing with their propaganda films, it's called EDITING.

I don't know about anyone else, but I have never seen a Gracie fight a Krav Maga fighter or Ed Parker or a Parker senior Black Belt or a Kajukenbo fighter or..... The element of suprise is gone, that's why they all crosstrain now.

One last thing, the Gracies made Jimmerson wear the glove in UFC1, it's common knowledge.

Answer 4

Prince gets the 10 here. Right to the point and accurate with it.

h**l -

I'd even give him 10 extra points if I could.

Answer 5

It is amazing that people like you with your limited or no real experience think that they know more than those of us that have spent many years doing real martial arts. So I won't try to change your mind on the matter. Obviously my 41 years of serious martial arts training in multiple styles pales in comparison to the wisdom of your own beliefs....... At least in your mind.

Answer 6

BJJ is a great martial art, but I think that it is limited in that it focuses only on one aspect of fighting, that is, the wrestling. One can be a proficient and accomplished fighter with mastery of just the ground game(as in BJJ), or just the stand up(as in muaythai), or just take downs (as in Chinese wrestling), but wouldnt it be greater to have mastery of all three of those fighting aspects? So, when someone says "BJJ isn't the best martial art," they are partially correct and incorrect. One who has mastered BJJ is an excellect and proficient fighter, but is not as well rounded or as skilled as someone who has mastered all other aspects of fighting.

Answer 7

Gracie jiu jitsu is Brazillian jiu jitsu man

Answer 8

Yep, 'Chantelle' is right.

It is and always will be, the practitioner and not the art that counts/makes a difference.

It is up to you to try out both of these arts and see for yourself (namely which style you prefer).

Everyone has their own opinion and nothing that you say will change it.

Answer 9

I'm just going to say watch this video and see how most of America sees you.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QpceOOk2zog

Everyone else, it's quite funny, check it out.

I can also see that this draygin guy has struck a nerve.

Answer 10

All of them and I mean every art form out there is more effective than BJJ, even High school wrestling pratitioners like Matt Hughes can beat up BJJ practitioners.  Masahiko Kimura snapped Helio Gracie's ( BJJ Founder ) arm with a Ude Garami technique which BJJ practitioners now call "The Kimura".

There isn't a style out there that can't beat BJJ especially when high school wrestlers are beating it constantly in shows from coast to coast.

BJJ's only problem is its pride and mind set.  "BJJ is the best ever man" the pratitioners always say .....ROTFL...... that's the best part..... hehehehe

Answer 11

Well that's YOUR opinion, fool. You're not gonna change what you believe.

But facts beat opinions any day of the week.

It doesn't matter the art, but who uses it.

Does it work in the street when your on your back? Does it work against a person holding a weapon? Does it work on CONCRETE (watch the ultamite fighter)? Does it work on more than one person at the same time? Does it work when your opponent is striking you to death on the ground?

BJJ is a good art, but it's more meant for the octagon than anything else. Use it as a self defense if you want, but you're only limiting yourself.

And every art has it's flaws, so BJJ isn't the only art that does.

So NOW you KNOW!

Anti-Thesis, you're just a dumbass. It depends on the person and how he uses it. The person who uses the art has the strategy and mind, not the art itself. BJJ can be the most effective if uses properly, but at the same time it can be the crappiest.

Either way, it's just as equal than all the other arts.

Change your name to Anti-Smartness.

Answer 12

Well, it is your opinion, but since your asking for other opinions, i'll give you mine.

There is no martial art that is more effective than another. There never was, and never will be. They are all equal. The martial arts aren't comparing eachother, and they aren't asking to be compared. It is us, as people, who compare them, and i hate it when people ask these kinds of questions.

What matters in a fight is the user of the martial art. He has to be able to apply what he knows to the situation that is facing him. One martial art cannot teach this to you faster than another, this comes down to the person who is learning any given martial art. YOU MUST CONTROL THE OUTCOME OF A FIGHT, NOT THE MARTIAL ART.

Answer 13

"BJJ is limited. The Gracies are a propaganda machine. American Kenpo is better due to it's built in crosstraining, IE grappling, striking, multiple attackers and weapons all in a singular system. The same is true of Sambo and Krav Maga."

if we are talking about multiple opponents, then i agree bjj is very limited, but i have yet to see ANY art that deal with more than one attacker well.

"Brazilian Ju Jitsu is actually Kano Judo, which is a more narrowly focused version of Japanese Ju Jitsu. Maeda called it Ju Jitsu due to the fact that the Japanese did not have respect for Judo."

yep.

"BTW Art Jimmerson in UFC 1 took a dive. The Gracies were afraid of his jab, hence the big red glove in Royce's 1st UFC fight."

say what you want about their style, but he gracies arent scared of anyone, certainly not art jimmerson.

"Finally taking a fight to the ground is suicide. There are parking blocks, glass, rocks, sprinkler heads and all kinds of other hazards. How do I know this? 1992 a Gracie student, from the Torrance school, tried to take me to the ground in a parking lot. His head went into a parking block and he woke up in the hospital. There is also the old Special Forces Combat Instructor's saying, "The ground is where you go to die.", not to mention the studies done by law enforcement that states less than 25% of fights go to the ground. The 90% farce includes the fights where people are KOd"

depends on who is taking you to the ground.  gracies students typically spend very little time on takedowns.  a good wrestler or judoka might make the concrete scenario a nightmare for you.  

as far as the fights going to the ground, i dont think any group is really equipped to give an accurate percentage, but i would suspect the gracies would have a better handle on it than special forces or law enforcement.  look up army ranger greg stott and see what happened to him in the ufc.

besides when cops are arresting a resisting suspect the first thing they do is jump him with several guys and force the suspect to the ground.  i think the police AND the gracies have difficulty with the truth most of the time.

im not a big fan of the gracies, but they have had an open challenge for years.

if you had destroyed a gracie student INSIDE the academy, we might be reading about you on the internet as a MMA pioneer even today.

Answer 14

I agree with draygin and Prince.

BJJ has some of the most effective techniques of any martial art, and the techniques can be applied quickly and easily, almost the same day that you learn them. All arts are very effective in theory. I know black belts in Kung Fu and Karate that cant fight their way out of a paper bag in real life. I know guys that have no training that have taken on 2-4 opponents at once, and won. It's not what you know, it's how you use what you know. No one art is better than another. A man can either fight, or he can't.

Answer 15

I hate when martial art hippies decry that there are "no best arts" because they blind and limit themselves to the possibility that yes, one art can have a better PLAN than the others.

The art within itself may not be "superior" to another, but the inherent STRATEGY of one art can DEFINITELY be more intelligent than the other arts.

Now, not to repeat the redundant argument of whether or not BJJ is "the best art", I will only say this.

"Hard" precussionary blunt-force arts only have 1 chance to end a fight - you have to hit with the perfect angle, with the perfect rotation, at the perfect moment, with the perfect amount of strength in order to END the fight otherwise you now have a kick boxing match in the streets - all the while trying to NOT get hit yourself.

"Soft", leverage and physics based arts don't have this same problem as soft arts do not rely on "pin-point" accuracy. If a soft martial artist misses a move, chances are, they already switched their angle and have now trapped you in the next move - though they may get hit during the controlling process, the hit won't be the "perfect, pin-point accurate" strike that hard arts need.

"but, if he can hit you, he can stab you" you say...

Very true, but if you can strike him, he can stab you too.

Answer 16

the style with no style jeet kune do every move ever because u have no style u can use judo switch to boxing switch to sambo     look it up        ur entitled to ur own oppinion but this is mine not being rude  bruce lee is credited for makin this style

Answer 17

There seems to be a pattern here. How come almost every time, someone comes onto a forum, slagging off every other art and they happen to practice BJJ?

In BJJ classes do they teach how to dislike and disrespect any other MA and constantly drivel on about how BJJ is the best?

A white belt BJJ practitioner vs a black belt in Hapkido has a 0-10% chance of winning. A white belt in hapkido vs a black belt BJJ practitioner has a 0-10% chance of winning. Get my point? I hope so because I get tired of saying, "it's not the art, it depends on the practitioner, how it is applied and under what circumstances."

If you have seen ANY pub/bar fights (particularly in the UK) which usually spill out onto the streets, you'll see what a bad idea it is to go to the ground. Head jumping seems to be the flavour of the moment in street fights here in the UK. You're welcome to go for the rear naked choke but don't expect your opponents mates or passing fools to stand back and watch.

BJJ is a good art in principle and mainly in a competition environment but it can't be considered the ultimate art particularly from a self defence perspective. Thinking like that is just foolish.

Answer 18

Catch wrestling: case and point, Kasushi Sakuraba, the Gracie hunter.

Answer 19

BJJ is limited. The Gracies are a propaganda machine. American Kenpo is better due to it's built in crosstraining, IE grappling, striking, multiple attackers and weapons all in a singular system. The same is true of Sambo and Krav Maga.

Brazilian Ju Jitsu is actually Kano Judo, which is a more narrowly focused version of Japanese Ju Jitsu. Maeda called it Ju Jitsu due to the fact that the Japanese did not have respect for Judo.

BTW Art Jimmerson in UFC 1 took a dive. The Gracies were afraid of his jab, hence the big red glove in Royce's 1st UFC fight.

Finally taking a fight to the ground is suicide. There are parking blocks, glass, rocks, sprinkler heads and all kinds of other hazards. How do I know this? 1992 a Gracie student, from the Torrance school, tried to take me to the ground in a parking lot. His head went into a parking block and he woke up in the hospital. There is also the old Special Forces Combat Instructor's saying, "The ground is where you go to die.", not to mention the studies done by law enforcement that states less than 25% of fights go to the ground. The 90% farce includes the fights where people are KOd.

Answer 20

Gotta' go with Prince on this one...

It isn't the martial art, it is how well the martial art is executed.