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Necromancy, part 2?

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I have two more questions to ask. Can I necromancer use a good soul for total power? Or is it more a bad soul? What would happen if he used a good soul vs. bad? And how do you stop a necromancer from too much power to bend to his will? Any ideas on answer this, for research of my novel? (I'm also asking this in Religion.)

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  1. It could depend on the sacrifice, willing sacrifices are said to have more power (and be of a purer nature), while unwilling sacrifices are usually tainted because the soul was not given freely.

    Though the first post was correct in that necromancy is technically just a form of divination, but since your are writing you have a creative license and can define your necromancers how you wish.

    As one aspiring fantasy novelist to another I would say a way to fight a powerful necromancer would be to have a willing sacrifice, having a character sacrifice themselves, a martyr if you will, because the life was freely given and in a good cause it would overpower the tainted twisted power of the necromancer. This scenario lends itself to dramatic plot twist, thats how I would write it.


  2. You are making the faulty assumption that "necromancy" is somehow a real world topic. You, as a would be author, get to define the rules for"Necromancy" in your fictional milieu. So do whatever you want!

  3. Necromancy (Greek νεκρομαντία, nekromantía) is a form of divination in which the practitioner seeks to summon "operative spirits" or "spirits of divination", for multiple reasons, from spiritual protection to wisdom.

    Unfortunately too much T.V. has created a misconception about The Ancient Arts, there is no such thing as 'Black magic' except for Hollywood's version!

    Consider that to obtain divine power and invoke and control spirits the practitioner must be of pure heart and surrounded by the light of God, for it is this power that intimidates and commands the spirits by the very nature of fear of the wrath of God! It is true though that this practitioner can use the power to serve his dark intentions, but the process by which he conducts ceremony, ritual and incantation are always white magic. A person foolish enough to think they could control spirits with a black heart and worship of darkness would find that the entities have no fear of this person or their ability to command the light upon them and they would be devoured!

    Those that worship the darkness are Satanists and have no magical power, they are but servants!!!

  4. Lets say this can be done. I fyou want total power for good, use a good soul and pla God. If you want it for bad, use a bad soul and play satan.

  5. The wording of your question is indistinct.

    And what is a "necromancer"? Someone who uses the dead to effect the manifestations of his will? Or one who works with the dead [as I have done, repeatedly: Mr.Rhandi can hold on to his cool million until scientists develop instruments to detect the subtler realms physically - but fact is one can experience and demonstrate the substantial reality (as in "If this is real, so too must that be, for the one affects the other.") of such phenomena] ?

    Further, what is all this "good" soul, "bad" soul stuff? From the necromantic (sic) point of view, "good" = "gets the job done", "bad" = "fails miserably/total waste of time".

    As for "total" power, keep dreaming, and keep them to yourself. But even then, you would be sacrificing your power to a conception of your self that, being self-conceived, would but serve to diminish your self in favour of your self - the lesser version of your self. This sort of regress would not go on infinitely, but stabilize in a debased and distorted formulation of self that would have but limited interests in the world, and be of a limited (technically, 'demonic') effectability even so far as concerns them.

    Interpreting the 'stop a necro from dancing with your prancing and chancing' question, the best way would be to out-do him in development of your own will - which in practice means expanding the Realm of your Consciousness to exceed his, at least in the Spheres of Concern under consideration. {(One might visualise an agglomerate bunch of bubbles, and within each a central pillar, depending from the tip of which a pyramid: does the height of one's pyramid in the sphere of action exceed that of the necromancer, even if the bases of the two pyramids (for the N. has also a central pillar and associated pyramid) do not the one surround the other, ie.he may seem at base powerful, but in the heights limited, and thus ultimately one can overtower his power).}

    But in this regard I recommend you read "The Butterfly Net" (better known as "Moonchild") by Sir Aleister Crowley, in particular (the early chapters are especially good, but it is in the later one's where Cyril Grey and Simon Iff contrast their two ways of dealing with "necromantic" sendings that the greatest interest would lie). Also, some of the short stories published in The Equinox (Volume 1, issues 1 - 10) would be of interest to you - they are dramatic presentations of actual magickal experience.

  6. Your idea of Necromancy is flawed. Necromancy simply deals with divination by the dead and wouldn't include the use of the souls of the deceased for anything other than that purpose. What you are referring to is classified under the umbrella of evocation loosely and is practiced in various cultures under a myriad of names, in Vodoun it is known as "soul-sending". When the souls of humans are evoked, they are not held to contain the higher aspects of a person's personality, which move on immediately after death. So, in effect, there is no such thing as a "good soul" in spiritual evocation. There are no charms to stop a Necromancer from plying his trade, the only real way to keep a Necromancer from conjuring a certain spirit is to burn the body of the person he is using, which is held to free the spirit from its attachment to this world. This practice is often performed by a Necromancer after getting all the information he wants out of a certain spirit as a favor to the spirit of the deceased.

  7. A real necromancer doesn't control the souls of the dead at all. He raises them to get information about whatever he wants. The suffix -mancy comes from "mantia" or "mancia," Greek words meaning "divination" or "scrying" Therefore, necromancy literallyu means "death scrying" or "divination through the dead." The only "control" a necromancer has over the spirits he raises is that which he establishes when he calls the spirit. Basically, most spirits don't WANT to come here from wherever they were, and will fight you every step of the way while you call them. You literally have to wrestle them out of the ground (they come out of the ground in most cases, because it is easier to call up a spirit from the place where his remains are interred). Once you've gotten them out, they'll generally answer your questions to get you to leave them alone, although some will continue to fight you. If you call up a spirit too powerful for you to "wrestle" with, most will simply go back to wherever they were before you summoned them, although some more sinister spirits may decide to hang around on the physical for awhile, generally causing trouble for everyone they encounter, especially the one who summoned them. Also, there's no effective way for anyone other than the spirit involved to stop a necromancer from summoning a soul.  There's really no reason to, either, but if you really wanted to you could belt them over the head with something heavy, as they're probably using all of their concentration to pull the spirit out. ^_^ If you're thinking about actually PRACTICING necromancy... I don't know any good books on the subject, sorry. One tip though: standard procedure is to do the spirit you summon some sort of favor after getting your answers, especially if you intend to call them up again. If you have any more questions, feel free to contact me at fenris121@yahoo.com.
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