Nibiru...(Planet X) Thoughts, Ideas Comments?

Question

Even mainstream astronomers have long speculated that there may be an unknown planet - a Planet X - somewhere out beyond the orbit of Pluto that would account for the anomalies they were detecting in the orbits of Neptune and Uranus. Some unseen body seems to be tugging at them. The finding was reported in the June 19, 1982 edition of the New York Times:

Something out there beyond the furthest reaches of the known solar system is tugging at Uranus and Neptune. A gravitational force keeps perturbing the two giant planets, causing irregularities in their orbits. The force suggests a presence far away and unseen, a large object, the long-sought Planet X. Astronomers are so certain of this planet's existence that they have already named it "Planet X - the 10th Planet."

The anomalous body was first spotted in 1983 by IRAS (Infrared Astronomical Satellite), according to news stories. The Washington Post reported: "A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation Orion by an orbiting telescope aboard the U.S. infrared astronomical satellite. So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a nearby 'protostar' that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of the light cast by its stars ever gets through."

Nibiru supporters contend that IRAS has, in fact, spotted the wandering planet.

"A Mystery Revolves Around the Sun," an article posted by MSNBC on October 7, 1999 said: "Two teams of researchers have proposed the existence of an unseen planet or a failed star circling the sun at a distance of more than 2 trillion miles, far beyond the orbits of the nine known planets... Planetary scientist at Britain's Open University, speculates that the object could be a planet larger than Jupiter." And in December, 2000, SpaceDaily reported on "Another Candidate For 'Planet X' Spotted."

Another article and photo appeared in Discovery News: "Large Object Discovered Orbiting Sun." The article, published in July, 2001, says, "The discovery of a large reddish chunk of something orbiting in Pluto's neighborhood has re-ignited the idea that there may be more than nine planets in the solar system." Naming it 2001 KX76. the discoverers estimate that it is smaller than our Moon and might have an elongated orbit, but they gave no indication that it was heading this way.

Answer 1

Your evidence consists of "science" stories from the New York Times, the Washington Post, MSNBC (!), and the Discovery Channel (!!!). These are the same folks who write stories about UFO abductions and Mayan calendars.

Please provide evidence in the form of peer reviewed documents that describe their observations and conclusions in a clear manner that can be understood in the language of science - i.e. mathematics.

The general public grabs this stuff and runs with it. Ignorance expands to fill the available universe. You should stop trying to scare others. You should look for real scientific efforts that prove or disprove your - what do I call it - hypothesis, idea, notion, opportunity? What is your hypothesis, anyway? Do you have one? If you have one, it should be stated - clearly - and then solid, written evidence with observations and logical explanations based on known laws of physics and mathematics should be provided.

You see, without that evidence, everyone just has to say - "Gee, I wonder if that means something." And then the fruitcakes get ahold of it and say "I know it means SOMETHING." And then the dogmatics get ahold of it and say "I know what it means and I will tell you." And then the scary leaders get ahold of it and say "If you don't listen to MY version you are evil and deserving of punishment."

This is how ignorance prevails. It is frightening that people listen.

ADDED: OK, I have seen your "evidence." Here is what it consists of:

1. A single paper from 1988 that poses the possibility of an additional planet within our solar system - but well beyond Pluto - based on the IRAS data, which, as mentioned above, was later updated (you would say concealed). The paper says that this planet "if it exists at all" should be looked for somewhere in Scorpius, which is a huge difference from later statements that it can only be seen from the south pole.

2. Another 1988 paper (Debehogne) that never mentions such a planet.

3. Another 1988 paper (Hilton and Seidelmann) that talks at length about ancient Chinese astronomical data and says that it demonstrates that there is "no serious flaw in accepted planetary theories." It also does not mention any new planets that I could find.

4. A one page erratum (Blanco) that says nothing regarding this issue.

5. An excellent series of 3 papers (Salzer et al, Ferguson, Struble) that explore in detail the large-scale distribution of galaxies. These, of course, have absolutely NOTHING to do with Nibiru. In fact, they are talking about objects that are millions of light years away from our solar system - like the Virgo Cluster, the Fornax Cluster, the Abell Cluster, and the Bootes Void. I am particularly annoyed by the use of the first of these three, which was accomplished at the time and place where I was taking graduate level classes in Astronomy. The use of these individuals' work (some of whom I knew personally and respected very much) as evidence for this nonsense represents the worst kind of deception imaginable.

6. A video which takes the quantum leap from outdated IRAS data ("we don't know what it is") to government conspiracy (complete with phony photographs and Hollywood special effects) in the span of 2 seconds - and then expands on the conspiracy with the clear intent to deceive, frighten, and impress.

You are scaring kids. You are promoting ignorance for personal recognition or gain. This is unfortunate and terribly sad. To be honest, it makes me angry.

Answer 2

Watch the old movie "KRULL".

Take heed, but fear not young man for 2012 is just the revealing of the 'antichrist' or the 'man of lawlessness' at the middle of what Jews and Christians call the 7 year Tribulation. Many pagan cultures (Sumerians, Babylonians, Cherokee, Hopi, Chinese I-Ching {confirmed by T.McKenna}, Mayans, Egyptians, Celts, Satanists, etc...) celebrate this evil event called "the abomination that causes desolation". When will Yeshua Ha'Mashiach (Jesus) come? Only God Himself knows, but soon. If you believe or not, that is up to you. Either way it still comes.

Things to look for to PROVE it to yourself soon:

>Crash of American banks and its financial underpinning: Operation Sitting Duck

>Fall of America as an economic power and other ways.

>The Big One: Revelation 18. America goes down on the list of fabled societies nobody believes in any more like Atlantis, Mu, Lemuria, Hyperborea, etc..

>Martial law. (Google some of Bush's executive orders concerning it- Nightmarish!)

>Implementation of Project Bluebeam (be ready to hear more and more 'alien talk'... watch your local skies for the show!) Google and youtube it. Aliens... aliens... aliens...

>Trying to make people first accept the REAL ID card (to get you in the system) and then right after forcibly implanting people with these RFID microchips:

http://www.verichipcorp.com/ http://youtube.com/watch?v=f0gXGTcd6eE

>The start of the North American Union.

>Push to attack Iran which will start WW3-the atomic war to end all wars. (If you think China, Russia, and the Muslim world would just sit back, you are a mistaken fool!)

>Final push to one world government: The New World Order- The 4th Reich!

(The brutal final empire foreseen by Daniel and John)

>Rise of a miraculous and awe inspiring world leader later to turn world dictator.

>Push to one world religion where there are "manys ways to God".

>Toleration of everything but Jews and Christians.

>Temporary and unheard of "peace in the middle east".

>Revelation13:10  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPT...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNPn2JLz7...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epMeGr-wD...

>More world wide food shortages and famines.

>More earth quakes. More fires. Strange and severe weather.

>Major spiritual awakenings.

>Rise of Islamic fanaticism.

>Rise in wickedness and corruption.

*** ALERT: THEY ARE ALREADY PRACTICING [A MUST SEE!]***

http://youtube.com/watch?v=932Zu4e4iVM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=plELx_wmNgU

Christians and Messianic Jews look forward to this as it means they will soon join their Messianic Saviour in the Millennial Kingdom of the next Age and their Heavenly Father later as "Children of Light". If you try to equate 2012 with Y2K or some other date that cried wolf, then you will be making the worst mistake in your life. Research all these things FOR YOURSELF!

Answer 3

Yes, it is Nibiru X, it is headed for earth, it is going to smash into us and destroy us, or else the Anunaki will all thaw out (because this planet can't have a surface temperature hotter than a hundred Kelvin right now) and fly down in their space ships and enslave the human race.  Yep, that's exactly what's gonna happen.  Good thing you spotted it.  But you only have 4 years and 4 months to prepare, better get to it!

Answer 4

I just wased 10 minutes of my life watching the youtube vid mentioned by Lex R...

It is the most pathetic piece of pseudiscientific propaganda with no foundation. It claims to show "proof" but does nothing of the sort. It is just science fiction.

The IRAS data has been shown to not be a solar system object

The image shown that is supposed to be Nibiru is in fact an image of Jupiter.

Another image is that of V838 Moncerotis - which is a well studied stars with a shell of dust around it.

Another image/movie is a corongraphic observation of a comet.

The movie provides no scientific data to show where the specific date predictions come from, or on which they base there dire predictions of cataclysm.

It is pure BS carefully put together using images which the astronomy community know and understand and have nothing to do with any Planet X.

You should all read the Black Cloud (preferebaly the original version, the edited one sucks) by Fred Hoyle, who was once Astronomer Royal in Britain. It is a sci-fi novel written by an astronomer and will provide fodder for more silly nonsense along the lines of the Nibiru myth...

Answer 5

A few years after that 1982 edition of the New York Times Voyager 2 flew past Uranus and Neptune and sent back more precise data about their masses and sizes, and when this new data was plugged into the orbital calculations it was found that no such perturbations actually existed. They were simply the result of poor estimations of the required values.

Try using up to date information. It really helps credibility.

Answer 6

Actually, there are no more perturbations in the orbits of the outer ice giants, which are not already explained by the existence of the Pluto-Charon system - which was discovered in 1930. This was also end of the "Planet X" chapter in science, until other objects like Pluto or bigger got found. But these have no measurable influence on Neptune.

Niburu is in reality the Sumerian name for Jupiter. Nothing else. And where Jupiter is, is easy to see.

All other stuff, is just bad science.

Answer 7

nice cut n paste job.

i especially like the line "Nibiru supporters contend that IRAS has, in fact, spotted the wandering planet."

I can almost hear the sound of dogs barking.

hey, and wasn't Fox News the one that ran with that phoney Mexican UFO sighting?

Nibiru doesn't exist.  At all.  Not ever.  Get a grip.

if it did, there would be evidence.  There is NONE.  Some reference in a newspaper is not evidence.

Answer 8

The IRAS discovery was quickly identified as being well outside our solar system.  Of course, those who want it to be inside the solar system always forget that part of the story.

The 2000 "candidate" was a dwarf planet.

The "failed star" circling the sun used to be called "Nemesis".  It had been proposed around 20 years ago as a means to explain cyclical major extinctions on Earth.  If it existed, it would be on its way outward right now.  If it existed, it would have been detected in the major infra-red telescopes.  If it exists, it will certainly be seen by the next generation of infra-red telescopes.  Most astronomers now believe that it does not exist (so many other signs of its presence are missing).  Meanwhile, new research on mass extinctions show that the periodic cycle does not really exist.  It was a mathematical artefact of the statistical analysis method used.

As for Nibiru itself, its origin is well known.  A translator, graced with a vivid imagination, was working with old Sumerian texts and thought that he was reading a legend explaining the origin of the human race.

Very soon after, as more Sumerian texts became available and as more translators got used to their language, it was clear that the name Nibiru was used for the planet we call Jupiter.  Definitely not coming this way.  And everything in the original legend was just made up by the vividly imaginative translator.

In any event, he had "predicted" its return for 2085.  Even this guy is fed up to see how "his" fictitious planet was hijacked and forced to participate in the Big 2012 Hoax Off.

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Although "Planet X" is still the label for an undiscovered planet beyond Neptune, the reason for it is no longer unexplained perturbations in orbits of Neptune (they have all been explained).  Rather it is a statistical conclusion.  

Take the instruments we had in the 1930s.  With them we discovered Pluto.

Take instruments we now have.  With them, we are discovering other dwarf planets (and minor planets) beyond and around Pluto's orbit.

Imagine the telescope power in 20 years.  Apply that to the observed distribution (by object size) of what is being now discovered.  

The probability is high that we will find something as big as a real planet (not just a dwarf) somewhere in the outer Kuyper belt or the inner Oort cloud.  That is Planet X.

If it exists (for now, it is only a statistical probability, just as Nemesis was), then it is on a relatively stable orbit -- otherwise we would have observed major disruptions in the Kuyper belt.

Answer 9

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