Not to call anyone out, but was Toews a better pick as Calder?

Question

LITY, could you tell me how many Votes Toews received or whatever.

no offense to Kane at all since he played in London and is one of the best to leave london and be succesful. But LITY made a very good and convincing comment to me one day "Kane is nothing without Toews" now he had like 70 points to lead the team, and Toews led all rookies in goal scoring, but the fact that Toews missed a month or so and came back to lead all rookies in goal scoring actually amazed me.

no offense to Kane, but if Toews was chosen instead, i would not have disagreed.

Answer 1

Without his injury,  I think it was his to lose!

Answer 2

i personally think backstrom is the best rookie of the three but toews i believe is a better overall player compared to kane

Answer 3

I think the right player won it. Also.... a little confused by the statement where you and I think LITY say Kane is nothing without Toews. As a STH I was at every home game and watched almost every away game (sorry missed a handful) and Kane and Toews were in no way on the same line enough to support that claim. Savard experimented with it on and off but not enough to attribute Kane's success to Toews. I could see if they had a regular shift all season long but that wasnt the case at all even if sans Toews injury. So maybe there was a diffrent meaning behind that statement? Toews is going to be a great player too though.

LITY- thanks for the excellent information on time. Didn't seem like they were on the ice together that much. Maybe too many beers at the games. Anyway... I guess to address the point that Kane is nothing without Toews would have to be based on opening the ice for Kane or something then because Kane assited on 17 of Toews 24 goals, whereas Toews only assisted on 4 of Kane's 21 goals. If you look at it in those terms seems like Toews needed Kane more than the other way around based on who was settin who up.

Answer 4

i was really pulling for toews. dont get me wrong, they are both awesome players, and im glad that in the end it went to a chicago player, but i really think it should have been toews.

he missed about a month due to a knee injury and was still able to lead rookies in goal scoring. Chicago suffered without him there, and our leading goal scorer, patrick sharp only scored three goals with out him there.

i believe he was more of a necessity to our team that kane, and his absence really proved that.

Answer 5

either way, Chicago finally has gotten it right and they have a tremendous young team that has a legitimate shot at making a cup run in the next five years.  Maybe an upgrade at goalie, because the "Bulin wall" is falling down.  He is still good, but he hasn't been the same since he left TB.

Answer 6

It was pretty close between them is all that was on the little sheet.  Had Toews not missed any time (he missed the start of the season too) he would have probably won.

I've heard that the top 6 were pretty close in the voting (that include Mueller and Price)

Daven71

- Kane and Toews were on the ice for 49 of Kane's points and 41 of Toews points and shared 29 points together

- They also played on average 9:47 a game together............which is more than 50% of their ice time (Over the last 15 games, the line of Byfuglien/Kane/Toews averaged over 14 minutes a game (about 3 of which was power-play time) .

- Kane's points/game average in games Toews played was 0.98 (63 pts in 64 games).  In games Toews did not play, Kane's average was 0.50 (9 in 18)  

April 4, 2008 - Nashville - 4:52 of 1st Period (Toews goal)

April 2, 2008 - Detroit - 3:13 of 2nd Period (Byfuglien goal)

March 30, 2008 - Columbus - 3:54 of 1st period (Toews goal)

March 23, 2008 - St. Louis - 9:10 of 2nd Period (Byfuglien goal)

March 19, 2008  - Washington - 3:19 of 1st period (Toews goal)

March 16, 2008 - Calgary - 10:25 of 1st period (Toews goal)

March 14, 2008 - Columbus - 12:00 of 2nd period (Kane goal)

March 9, 2008 - Edmonton - 7:49 of 1st period (Sharp goal)

March 7, 2008 - San Jose - 18:09 of 2nd period (Toews goal)

March 2, 2008 - Vancouver - 4:19 of 2nd period (Kane goal)

February 14, 2008 - Nashville - 12:42 of 1st period (Toews goal)

February 14, 2008 - Nashville - 3:47 of 3rd period (Sharp goal)

December 30, 2007 - Los Angeles - 2:16 of 2nd Period (Toews goal)

December 26, 2007 - Nashville - 15:38 of 1st period (Toews goal)

December 15, 2006 - Buffalo - 2:35 of 1st period (Kane goal)

December 12, 2006 - Los Angeles - 7:18 of 3rd Period (Toews goal)

December 7, 2007 - Anaheim - 1:07 of 1st Period (Toews goal)

November 30, 2007 - Phoenix - 10:14 of 1st Period (Byfuglien goal)

November 30, 2007 - Phoenix - 10:30 of 1st Period (Byfuglien goal)

November 28, 2007 - Tampa Bay - 10:25 of 3rd Period (Toews goal)

November 11, 2007 - Detroit - 18:25 of 2nd Period (Toews goal)

November 4, 2007 - Nashville - 9:43 of 1st Period (Lang goal)

October 31, 2007 - Dallas - 7:29 of 1st Period (Toews goal)

October 27, 2007 - Atlanta - 5:08 of 2nd Period (Kane goal)

October 23, 2007 - Columbus - 6:47 of 2nd Period (Toews goal)

October 20, 2007 - Toronto - 4:13 of 1st Period (Williams goal)

October 19, 2007 - Colorado - 6:59 of 1st Period (Toews goal) - <-- This won CBC's goal of the year vote!

October 12, 2007 - Detroit - 17:33 of 2nd Period (Sharp goal)

October 10, 2007 - San Jose - 13:43 of 1st Period (Toews goal) <-- Toews first NHL shot on goal

Answer 7

I think backstrom is the best of all of them.  If only he didn't start the year under that pathetic excuse of a coach glen hanlon.

Answer 8

I beleive they both should have won it they both had amazing seasons. Toews pulled the team together and will most likely be our captain someday. It must have been really close

Answer 9

I'll two up ya!

1- If Toews did not miss a game, I bet you the Blackhawks make the playoffs.

2- And if my Blackhawks were the eighth seed against a Detroit, who a fifth of their season losses belong to the Blackhawks, there might be  a different Stanley Cup champion (Probably Dallas or the Penguins, but still).

--Not saying I don't think Kane is great, he is clutch when it comes to the overtime shootouts.

Answer 10

Neither one of them earned Carey Price's rookie of the year award. Neither of them took the job from an all-star incumbent, and lead the team the voters all predicted would finish dead last to become conference champions.

Price did though.

Answer 11

That was the toughest one of the night, could not go wrong with any one of those three, I thought Backstrom was slightly more deserving, but predicted Kane, because the Europeans were run aways in all the other catagories, figured a North American had a little advantage in that close a competition.