Obama Abortion Question...?

Question

While in the Illinois legislature B. Obama opposed legislature that would allow babies who born due to an abortion going wrong to be given medical attention.

Due to the efforts of Barac Obama babies who are now born alive in Illinois, due to an abortion gone wrong, are placed into a hospital room (many times the basements of hospitals) and left to die alone without any medical help. Not even a pain reliever.

How can this be considered anything but murder in cold blood? How can you support a man who would be this cold hearted?

Perhaps Mr. Obama should look into the eyes of those innocent new born babies who as being born in America, by law should be protected under the Constitution as they lay their full of life but lifeless at the same time, cut to pieces by a money hungry doctor and an immature mother and father, and hold them as they slowly die. Perhaps he should watch them as the fight for every breath and call it a choice.

This is not political bull c**p spin... this is factual. How can you support anyone who vote for this- Republican or Democrat?

Answer 1

As Obama said at Saddleback Church

transcript: http://www.rickwarrennews.com/transcript...

he wants to reduce the abortion rate, just like the rest of us.  He's just unwilling to take his anti-abortion stance so far as to make illegal a woman's choice in the matter, including in cases of rape, incest, or even the endangerment of the life of the mother, as is the case in the GOP platform (although still not McCain's platform).

Your representation of Obama's voting record is fraudulent.  This misconception has been corrected dozens of times in Yahoo Answers, so not only do the sources you quote not have an excuse -- neither do you.

To see this lie fully debunked, go here:

http://mediamatters.org/items/2008082200...

http://mediamatters.org/items/2008081500...

http://mediamatters.org/items/2008080200...

http://www.truthfightsback.com/site/smea...

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/co... (Barack's 40-pg debunking of Corsi's smears)

or slog through the following:

Many on this site are falsely presuming that Obama's voting against certain abortion legislation was because it provided babies the right to protection if they survive a late-term abortion.  Obama correctly has pointed out that the existing law provided such protections already, and voted against the newer legislation due to OTHER constraints it would put on the woman's rights.

The act which failed in the Illinois Senate sought to outlaw pretty much ALL abortions....for any reason including deformity, terminal illness, rape, incest.  The legislation in question threatened the standing abortion laws in the state, while other provisions were bundled in that created liability for doctors, designed to intimidate doctors and make it more difficult to perform legal procedures. So Barack Obama opposed it for that reason, not to oppose protection of babies born alive.

The act was designed as "wedge" legislation.  It would have no effect on medical procedures, but was designed for just for these sorts of attacks.  When a group does this, they put one horrible provision (the "infanticide" part of the bill) and package it with a bunch of other provisions that assault a woman’s right to choose. Then, when someone votes against the bill to protect that right, they say the vote was over the "infanticide."

The media have promoted numerous myths and falsehoods about Obama and the legislation. In several instances, the media have simply repeated false accusations -- or made the accusations themselves -- that Obama's opposition amounted to support for infanticide.  On the August 18 edition of his radio show, Rush Limbaugh claimed that Obama "believes it is proper to kill a baby that has survived an abortion," while right-wing pundit Ann Coulter said that Obama "wants the doctors ... chasing it through the delivery room to make sure it gets killed." Further, author Jerome Corsi claimed that "[e]ven if a child was born, he said the woman still had the right to kill the child in an abortion," and Oregonian associate editor David Reinhard wrote that Obama's opposition was "enabling infanticide." In fact, Obama and other opponents said the bill posed a threat to abortion rights and was unnecessary because, they said, Illinois law already prohibited the conduct supposedly addressed by the bill.

So instead of thinking, "Hmm, this sounds just a little too improbable, that Obama would want babies surviving abortions to be killed.  I'd better research this first before I make this claim.  After all, I'm a journalist and don't want to be caught out reporting on something that turns out to be easily debunked, and that most people would think sounds phony from the start.  I don't want to lose my credibility as a journalist," they instead just MAKE STUFF UP, expecting their audience to be dumb enough to fail this gullibility test of a story.

It's been said that, if it weren't for lack of context, there would be no news.  But this is ridiculous.

You have to consider the source.  One source of these claims is Jerome Corsi, who has also written that McCain made his wealth through the Mafia and that 9/11 was perpetrated by the Bush Administration.  

Another source of these claims is Jill Stanek, who says domestic violence is acceptable against women who have abortions.  She also supports billboards in Tanzania that say "Faithful Condom Users" in English and Swahili, written next to a large skeleton, to discourage condom use.  She claims that "aborted fetuses are much sought after delicacies" in China to which she added, "I think this stuff is happening."

Nurse Jill Stanek claimed that fetuses that were born alive at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Illinois, were abandoned without treatment, including in a soiled utility room.  The Illinois Atty. General's office, then under abortion foe Jim Ryan, directed the Illinois Dept. of Public Health to conduct a thorough investigation of the claims, because what she was alleging were viola

Answer 2

Any sources? I can't imagine him thinking that way, or anyone, that is cruel. But I would never support anyone who does that. I am for womens right to have an abortion, but by all means, if it does indeed live, then it is the job of someone else to take care of it best they can and give it proper treatment.

Answer 3

You can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs.  Stop wining...at least you didn't get aborted.  Yeah death sucks, but if we didn't allow people to terminate pregnancies this country would be overwhelmed by a myriad of problems.

Answer 4

It can't be considered anything but cold blooded murder.  It seems Obama believes in retroactive abortions..

This is a pretty widely known fact and I can't believe any supporter of Obama isn't aware of it and needs "proof".  This is not new, how can people support the guy when they know nothing about him..

Answer 5

My medical colleagues in Illinois say that tale about infants being allowed to die in hospital is just that - a tale made up by Obama opponents.  Further, if they can find out who is spreading this lie, they'll take him/her to court and sue the britches off of 'em.  And y'know what?  I'll help do it!

Answer 6

Unfortunately, I've seen the votes on this-- he didn't vote FOR it, he just marked that he was "PRESENT".  But-- he didn't vote AGAINST it either.  Dems have made their mark in the world by being the Robin Hoods of our time-- take from the rich and give to the poor.  Only difference... our poor people in the US are poor by CHOICE, not by disability or otherwise.  Seems the dems enjoy the word CHOICE much too often.  Instead, we should start making INCENTIVES for work rather than say "don't work, we'll give you money".  Or INCENTIVES to bring back morals in values rather than say "have s*x, we will get rid of your mistake".  Haven't you heard:  Obama said himself "if my girls make a mistake, I don't want them to be punished with a baby".  Sorry-- didn't know a baby was punishment to the world... shows how he feels about HIS kids, eh?!

Answer 7

He doesn't want to punish anyone with a baby-his words.

Answer 8

If you intended to be "factual", you would have provided a link to the "legislature" (I think you mean legislation, but what do I know, you have all the "facts") in question for further scrutiny.

Nearly all legislation put forward on abortion is done so for political maneuvering or as a path to outlawing all abortions.  By proposing legislation (under the guise of protecting just born babies) that would inevitably lead to repeal of Roe v. Wade, it makes it much easier to say anyone opponents of such legislation are in favor of murder.  The design is to appeal to people who don't think critically and fail to look at such measures on a larger scale, such as you have done hook, line and sinker.

Edit: In answer to your "back door" question, if the bill left open the definition of pre-viable fetus as one that showed any vital sign outside the mother, it could (and would) easily be argued that such a definition would be construed to label any fetus as an infant, thus granting fetuses rights akin to infants, and there you have your wedge to outlawing abortion.

Answer 9

You guys are incredible. Women abort babies Obama is a Man!

Ragan, Bush sr,Bush Jr, did nothing to stop abortion nor did the Majority of Republican appionted Supreme court Justices!

So what will McBush Do!

Answer 10

Here is another source: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/...

Educate yourselves!

Abortion is not going away, regardless of who wins in November. All these years of Republicans controlling all branches of government, and abortion is still legal.