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Okay i need some help here.?

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Well as you all may know i asked a question about galaxies interlapping each other earlier. Here is a reason lol, i'm writing a book. Well more likely a graphic novel lol, it probably wont get published but it's just a hobby i do.

There's this corporation called UNSEC or United Nations Space Exploration Corporation, they found a new galaxy that was categorized as arp but it does not act as one. it coexists with three different galaxies all in the same space. They believe that it is artificial or natural. so it's a 50/50 deal lol.

I was wondering if perhaps there would be a way for an advanced alien race to be able to artificially create a galaxy, but then again these tri-arp galaxies act kind of like halo's. Ya know kinda like relics not weapons of mass destruction but just relics. The alien race is very very old about 600 million years older than humans. i'm just wondering if this would be or seem cannon to anyone.

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  1. What it seems to me is that your really smart.

    thats all i can say :D


  2. 600,000,000 YEARS! ya a race of aliens could figer out any thing if they had been an inteligent and civilized race that long.

  3. Wow! Finally an extremely intelligent  person in here. In a honesty, no.  However, if you are a writer you can create anything and alot of sci-fi readers will undoubtably take note of your accomplishment.

  4. http://www.atlasaerospace.net/eng/newsi-...

    http://www.seds.org/MESSIER/Pics/More/m8...

    http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&rl...

    just to get yer juices flowing... keep writing!!..

  5. for an advanced alien race to create an artificial galaxy? interesting idea, but i doubt it. first of all, those aliens must have mastered the travel of light speed which is very far from likely. they would in fact have to move faster than the speed of light for that matter in order to create a galaxy.

    well lets talk about what a galaxy is to begin with. a galaxy is a collection of stars, asteroids, planets, and other celestial bodies all pulled towards a common center. in spiral galaxies, that is 99% of the time a huge, supermassive black hole. our galaxy is no exception.

    so we have two ways of them making it:

    1. they create a huge, artificial, yet supermassive black hole. how they would do this, is a complete mystery. in order to create a supermassive black hole, a particle accelorator would have to be larger than our galaxy most likely.

    2. the make a very compact, yet extreamily dense massive object. and when i say massive, i mean very massive. they would have to make something, or get things to add up to, the mass of a supermassive black hole or nothing will orbit it.

    ontop of making these artificial supermassive objects, which is probably impossible, they would have to get other stuff to start orbiting them. stars, planets, asteroids, etc. and i have absolutely no idea how in the world they would do that. its next to, if not impossible.

    so this alien race seems 600 million years older than humans.... thats not that much older. they could have mastered light travel by then seeing as we are approaching it more and more, but it will be a while before we get there. this alien race would have to have colonized on multiple planets to still be alive now, and capture energy from multiple stars and planets. but i doubt they would be so advanced as to be able to form an entire galaxy. i just don't think they could possibly be that large of a race. and it would take billions of years to do anyway. they would've needed to start a long long time ago in order for everything to start orbiting naturally. so i don't think these galaxies are built by an alien race.

    a galaxy is a HUGE thing. its not like a couple thousand miles in diameter... its usually atleast 100 light years in diameter. i just don't think or see how any alien race, no matter how advanced for that matter, could possibly pull something off like this. perhaps they could make a star or a planet artificially, but a galaxy? i don't think so. and besides, what exactly would they accomplish by doing so? what would be the point of building another galaxy?

    they would have to travel thousands of light years away just to make sure this galaxy's gravity doesn't affect their own. and galaxies take millions, sometimes billions of years to form. sorry, but i just can't wrap my head around this idea.

  6. You might have to expand your time scale on those 'galaxy builders`.

    600 Mil. Yr.s would be a bit of a rush for such a project.

  7. Many people have heard of black holes being used to transport things through wormholes to some other part of the universe.  It's completely science fiction, but it is at least a premise people are familiar with.  Now you could have your advanced civilization with some kind of gravitational "accumulator" or "multiplier" which causes normal black holes to become billions of times more massive and when this is done at the center of a galaxy, the whole galaxy collapses into it.  Then you have your "receiver" white hole 100 million light years away.  It's made of anti-matter, of course.  Using a "wormhole directional matrix" (or whatever), an entire galaxy is transported to the waiting white hole and spewed out into the desired space.  It might even be revealed that the whole reason there are galaxies with supermassive black holes is because they are being prepared for transport.  All they have to do is activate their "initiator probe" at the SMBH and the Milky Way gets shot to the middle of the Virgo supercluster in a matter of years.

    Of course, as usual, faster than light technology is necessary.

    Edit: Since the process of sucking in and spewing out hundreds of billions of stars in an entire galaxy would take a very long time, you could have the galaxy to be transported woven throughout with FTL probes which create a "relativity web" which extends out from the hyper-gravitationally induced central black hole and causes the elapsed time of everyone outside that galaxy to seem millions of times shorter than it actually is.

    I will be applying soon for my degree in galactic engineering.

  8. ummmm wow ur smart i bet u could figure out a way to do it hahahahaha but its most likely impossible

  9. Excellent idea for a novel. But you must find a convincing way to create the galaxies. Galaxies are huge.

  10. Galaxies occupying the same space will merge into one galaxy.  This is not just hypothetical, because any two gravitational objects in close enough proximity will merge into a single object, especially fluid ones like galaxies.  There are computer models based on everything we know about physics regarding close-passing galaxies that also demonstrate it.

  11. The idea of an alien race creating a galaxy isn't exactly realistic, but why let that stop you from basing a story around it?  Most sci fi books tend to suspend reality for the sake of the plot.  The idea of trans-light travel speeds is extremely unrealistic, but that didn't stop Star Trek from using it as a plot device, and ending up as an entertaining show.  Go ahead and write your comic (er, graphic novel) -- that could end up being an interesting storyline, if you work it properly.  :)

    Ah, meant to add: Galaxies don't really overlap one another.  They'll either merge, or slowly pass each other by, causing disruptions in the orbits of the stars within (which often results in some of the more dramatic spiral shapes you see in galaxies).  A group of galaxies can orbit around one another, however.  Our own Milky Way is part of a galactic community, with us and Andromeda dominating the area, and a number of smaller satellite galaxies orbiting around the two.  Most astronomers call it the "Local Group".  Perhaps it would be better to have three galaxies orbiting around each other, with the stars within laid out in an intricate pattern?

  12. I'd guess that good Sci Fi begins with facts then builds upon that.  For example space ships traveling at warp speed are moving at some multiple of the speed of light and not much faster than and old Lincoln, which would seem ludicrous.

    Most galaxies are moving away from each other at great speeds (like raisons in a rising loaf of bread dough) and have great mass and momentum and are unlikely to be diverted.  However there are galaxies that exist in groups (or families) that are converging.

    Galaxies are both very large and very small and you could 'work' with small converging galaxies to solve the 'how?' problem.

    The stars in galaxies (except for pairs and triplets) are light years apart and could potentially pass through each other with few collisions (excepts perhaps if their centers collide?).

    If intelligent life existed elswhere in the universe it could have been a billion years ago or into the future, and not necessarily contemporaneously with life on earth.  You can tear up your earth calendar and write about the early universe, etc.

    The diameters of galaxies are measured in light years and communication across them and any action to reorganize them is naturally limited by the speed of light (unless that is violated in fiction?).  Consider Alan Guth's theory of early 'inflation' of the universe (that violated the laws of physices?).  If inflation could be harnessed (in fiction) that might provide your engine for change.

    Aliens 600 million years older than humans likely would have evolved a lot and learned a lot if they could have survived each other that long.  When nuclear fission or fusion occurs only a tiny amount of mass is converted to energy (E = mc2) but it they could convert the entire mass of their fuel they would have virtually unlimited (fictional ) fuel to carry out your plot.

  13. create a galaxy? not likely. you will need a lot of dust, rock, in distnat space, it will need big gravity to pull it together. i dont think they can in reality, but u can make anything happen in books theyre not real

  14. since you are the writer you can write anything. in sci-fi movies, according to what i've read, those that are very knowledgable(nuclear physicis, biologist,...,) can see the flaws, but they watch anyway. and as for the rest of us, well for me it's entertainment.  in jurassic park, was the hides the correct color? it didn't effect the movie did it?  sometimes i think that Einstein was a genius that was disappointed with mankind (by his comments on how our human knowledge had exceeded compassion or something like that) and although i think the a-bomb saved lives it also destroyed may innocent people that had nothing to do with the war. because his intelligence was so high maybe he purposefully left a trail that couldn't be followed, i never met him and either way, i don't think he was perfect, none of us are.  blah, blah,blah

    so maybe your aliens had some higher purpose (if you decide they created the different galaxies)

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