Pagan influence on Christianity?

Question

What do you think of this video?:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8469389811298138021&q=david icke christianity&ei=hxGXSIuyJIPijALQwv2XBQ

David icke completely exposes Christianity's pagan origins/influence, and its corruption from this influence, which we muslims already beleive in.

Answer 1

Uhhh...this will probably shut your filthy mouth for life - if you read it!

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You can believe we are pagans - but remember, Islam was actually based on pagan origins, until Mohammed discovered about Christianity and Judaism.

You claim to say Christianity is corrupted. I dare you to bring up ANY verse from your unholy book that says THE GOSPEL is corrupted, not the Torah.

Mohammed told his brainwashed followers to follow the 'corrupted' book. Here can be a few examples:

Surah 5:68 - Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law (Torah), the Gospel (Injeel), and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord."

Surah 29:46 Muslims are told by Allah, not to question the authority of the scriptures of the Christians, saying, "And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one;

The Gospel of Jesus and Old Testament (Torah):  

"Guidance and Light"

- Surah 2:87 -  And most certainly We gave Musa the Book and We sent apostles after him one after another; and We gave Isa, the son of Marium, clear arguments and strengthened him with the holy spirit,

- Surah 3:48 - And He (Isa/Jesus) will teach him the Book and the wisdom and the Tavrat (Torah) and the Injeel (Christian Gospel).

- Surah 3:50 - And a verifier of that which is before me of the Taurat (Torah) and that I may allow you part of that which has been forbidden t you, and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord therefore be careful of (your duty to) Allah and obey me.

- Surah 5:44 - "Surely We revealed the Taurat (Torah/Bible Old Testament) in which was guidance and light", with it the prophets who submitted themselves....

- Surah 5:46 - And We sent after them in their footsteps Isa, son of Marium, verifying what was before him of the Taurat (Jewish Torah) and We gave him the Injeel (Christian Gospels) in which was guidance and light, and verifying what was before it of Taurat and a guidance and an admonition for those who guard (against evil).

- Surah 5.68 - Say: O followers of the Book! you follow no good till you keep up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which is revealed to you from your Lord;

- Surah 6.154:    Again, We gave the Book (Torah) to Musa to complete (Our blessings) on him who would do good (to others), and making plain all things and a guidance and a mercy, so that they should believe in the meeting of their Lord.

- Surah 6.155:    And this (Torah) is a Book We have revealed, blessed; therefore follow it and guard (against evil) that mercy may be shown to you.

- Surah 29:46  "And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one;

- Surah 32:23 - And certainly We gave the Book to Musa, so be not in doubt concerning the receiving of it, and We made it a guide for the children of Israel.

- Surah 43:63 - When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: "Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah and obey me.

- Surah 46:12 we are told.... "And before it the Book of Musa (Moses) (Torah) was a guide and a mercy: and this is a Book verifying (it) in the Arabic language that it may warn those who are unjust and as good news for the doers of good......"

Islam says that Jesus did not die.  So, again --Islam has proven to be false; because Muhammad claimed the Gospel is true, and all 4 Gospels (Injil) testify that Jesus died and rose from the dead.

And to come to my point, although it does not say to follow the ‘Bible’ it DOES say to follow the Injeel. The Christian Bible predates Muhammad and Islam by more than 575 years. The Jewish Torah predates Muhammad and Islam by 1,000 - 3,000 years.  Muhammad said for Muslims to read the Bible for "Guidance and Light." For Islam to say they are corrupted, then is to call Muhammad a liar for recommending it. And to make things clearer for you, you should note that nowhere in the Qur'an there is even a suggestion that the Christian Biblical text has been altered or corrupted. The word "tahrif" is never used with reference to the Christian Gospels (Injil). The Qur'an occasionally accuses the Jews of altering their Scripture (like in Surah 5:13); but it never levels this accusation at Christians. It in no way implies that the text of the Gospel of Jesus (Injil) has been corrupted.  In fact, the Qur'an attests to the validity of the Christian Gospels, Zabur (Psalms) and the Torah.

Answer 2

Please explain to me why four of the five pillars of Islam are identical to pre-Islamic polytheistic pagan practices of the Meccan people.

Prostration towards the Kaaba, Observance of Ramadan, Paying the Zakat, and the hajj were all Polytheistic meccan practices dating to Muhammad's great grandfather.

Muhammad made them foundation of his religion, so that it wouldn't be too alien to his original target audience.  Later, when he went to Medina, he hung Jewish trappings on it in order to legitimize humself with the jews.  The Jews there, having the written word at their disposal said "WTF?" and told him to buzz off, which was probably a bad thing to do to a Homocidal Megalomaniac. . . .

Answer 3

Do you ever research anything or simply take David Ickes word for it?

It takes  a realtive few minuets of research to disprove this and actually a very few minuets of reading your Qu'ran to disprove it as the word of the God that is before Muhammad.

Which would you have me disprove Icke or the Qu'ran as the word of the God who gave us the Bible?

Check the dates of the God's Osirus and check to see if Isis was a virgin...THIS IS MANUFACTORED BS

Speaking of which, The Qu'ran claims to be from the God of Abraham a continuation of the scriptures which were before it. Allah claims his word can not be changed. Allah insrutcts Muhammad if he has doubts to compare the revelation he received with previous scriptures.

These are insturctions from God to Moses and all who floowed concerning his word his prophets and how to test a spirit to know it is from God.

Did Muhamamd follow the word of God as a prophet would have?

Deut.13: 1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

A prophet of God must be in agreement with the words of the prophets and the known word of God.

1John 2: 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Anyone who claims to be a prophet of God must agree Jesus is the Christ the Son of God who is our savior.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist

Gal. 1: 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

If an angel or a man preach a different gospel he is not of God.

This is a few mins how much time does this really take or should we simply take everyones word for what they say?

This is the reason there is an Islam Muhamamd said he was a prophet and gave you a book.

Edit, The Bible is not the word of God anymore? According to your Allah it is who are you to argue against the word of your own god? If the Bible is not Alllah's word then why was he saying it was? and why was he refering your prophet to it?

The fact is you care more about your religion than the teachings of your Allah who says this is his word and it can't be changed. The fact that his Qu'ran DOES NOT AGREE WITH his previous word proves he is not the God of Abraham he claims to be.

If the Bible is not the word of God anymore as you say then either your Allah changed his mind , which would mean Allah is not all knowing. or perhaps it never was his word in either case you are calling your Allah a liar and also saying his either does not care to keep his word or he intended for people to be misled by his lies....or he isnt powerful enough to prevent evil men from making a liar out of him....none of this makes any sense when we speak of God does it?

Here's your choices...

1)Allah did not care enough about his truth to protect his word.

2) Allah is not all knowing and changed his mind.

3) Allah is incompetant and could not protect his word.

4) Allah chose to allow evil men to make him out to be a liar.

5)Allah is a liar and chose to allow people ot believe his word though his word was a lie.

Which one or ones of these is your Allah?

Answer 4

So, you attack Christians and continue with your foolishness despite even the most recent evidence that the Torah has not changed in at least 4000 years and the New Testament since before Muhommads birth? You better get your nose out of Satans book and read some news. Ok, Christians do not care what you say anyway. Muhommad talked to the Devil, the Quran is the Devils book and you worship Satan my friend. Muhommad was anti-Christ...that is why he was a pedophile and a murderer...his success on Earth is being paid for in h**l. That is why Muhommad rots in the grave while Jesus awaits his return. You deal with it "submitter" to Satan.

مَنْ هُوَ الْكَذَّابُ، إِلاَّ الَّذِي يُنْكِرُ أَنَّ يَسُوعَ هُوَ الْمَسِيحُ؟ هَذَا هُوَ ضِدُّ الْمَسِيحِ، الَّذِي يُنْكِرُ

Answer 5

Why do your links keep sending me to Eva Mendes' naked Calvin Klein ad? lol.  I'm serious.  

Oh, well.  It doesn't matter what he says.  Does it matter to you that allah was a pagan moon god before Muhammad chose to make him the one "true" god?  Does it matter to you that pagans used to circumvent their pagan stones, just like Muslims do at the Kaaba?  You do know that most Arab tribes had a stone, right?

Answer 6

I "consider" myself a Christian and everything that he says I've read it in many other places. That's one of the reason why I say that I "consider" myself a Christian, because I don't believe anymore in the Christianity that we know nowadays.  The twisting began with Paul, who I consider the very first antichrist.  Then the Romans finished the garnishing of the Christianity known today by adding to the work of Paul all their pagan beliefs.  The Christianity commonly known is not the actual Christianity.  The actual one is the one preached by the true original apostles of Jesus....

Answer 7

Many pagans turned to Christ.

So?  The truth is that God Is God.  And devils try to usurp Gods identity. And that is where pagans come from.  Jesus came to show us the Way back to God. And was a sacrifice for our sins of paganism.

So?  When we receive Jesus atonement for our sins, His blood does wash this sin away.  We are no longer under the law of sin & death. But under Grace of God.

His mercies are new every morning.

I totally disagree that the bible has been corrupted.  Especially since the truth of the Holy Bible has set me free & tells me who I am in Christ.

If I doubt Gods Word? Then I am nothing. Because it is God who makes me something. God is who calls me beautiful.

Answer 8

No, we do not have pagan influence, but we might have some superficial similarities.

Jesus confirmed the OT and it is the same now as it was at the time  of Jesus

I do not believe Mohammad was a prophet of God, and anything what he said is not holy text in my opinion.

You go ahead, and follow your faith, you have free will, but the Bible says Jesus is the Wat and the Truth and eternal Life.

Answer 9

Islam took much from Arab paganism and from Zoroastrianism(Persia/Iran).

So.....I don't understand what you mean?

Answer 10

Salam for you my dear friend Yes christianity was influenced by paganism such as christmas on December 25,each  year was not the birth day of Jesus it was only the celebration of Rome people for annual harvest and it was dedicated to the sun as their god.

I agree with you that the Bible is not the word of God anymore and it has been corrupted.