Paint breed or just color?

Question

This is something I've never totally figured out.I have a registered paint. This is his breed, right? Not just a color. I have a Palomino Quarter Horse too. Now why is Palomino an association just like the APHA, but it is not a breed? Is just a Paint horse a breed, or does it have to be a Paint quarter horse? Just curious!

Answer 1

paint's a breed, pinto's a color

Answer 2

the Paint is a breed of horses yet most breeds can be a paint color

a palimino is color and an association [to keep the color alive]

Answer 3

A Registered Paint HOrse is a breed.  It got started because many of the old time Quarter Horses had too much white on them and the Quarter Horse Association was very strict regarding a horse with too much white in the wrong places.  A Quarter horse sometimes would also have a blue eye.  That is considered a Paint characteristic.  Anyway that is how the Paint Horse breed got started and that is why the breed has Quarter Horse breeding.   As others have said the Palomino is a color breed.  I can understand how you can become confused.  What is even more confusing is that the Paint Association previously would never allow a Paint Horse to be registered if they did not have enough white or a  spot on them and it had to be visible without having to bend over and look for it.  The rules have changed again  and you will see solid colored horses that are registered Paints.  Hope this helps you somewhat or maybe I have confused you more.  Hope not.

Answer 4

Paint Horse is a breed.

Answer 5

People get this confused all the time. In order for a horse to be registered paint, the horses parents must also be registerd. If not they call the horse a Pinto. Pintos look just like paints but cant be registerd with the paint association b/c of the parents they just have the color.

Answer 6

It always confused the heck out of me...seemed like they all developed because the 'colors' couldn't be registered when they were all really Quarter Horses., except the Appys..(simplified I know...)

Then there are paints with no color to confuse me even more...so it MUST be a breed (but it looks like a quarter horse!)

I get TOO confused !!  Thanks for the question!!

Answer 7

Its actually a breed the Paint. People call paint a color but actually the colors are Overo Pattern, Tobiano Pattern and Tovero Pattern, all look like paints.

http://www.apha.com/breed/index.html

Answer 8

I look at it this way since there seems to be so much confusion about this particular topic....

What came first... The color or the registry? There's your answer.

Now obviously 'paint' is NOW a term used to describe both the color and the breed, but in order for the registry to have even developed the color had to be there first.

Answer 9

Ok.. A PAINT is a registered  breed that has color markings like a PINTO (or vice versa)  A PINTO is considered a COLOR BREED as is a PALOMINO, BUCKSKIN, GRULLA, etc.  These horses that are certain COLORS can be double registered...such as your Palomino Quarter Horse..who could be registered as a Palomino because of color and QH because of traceable breeding lineage.  There are Pinto Tennessee Walkers as well as Pinto Saddlebreds...they can be registered to both registries one for their ancestory to the specific breed...as well as the Pinto Association because of their coloring...but not Paint because of the breeding lineage.  

But some Paints don't necessarily have coat patterns of a Pinto....mostly solid and perhaps a patch on the stomach or stockings and a bald face...that is where I get confused...dosen't the pattern have to be visible from a certain distance like an Appy?  What makes a Paint???..a QH and ??

I hope this helps you to understand the difference between a specific breed and a color breed....

I gotta get my mind straight on what a Paint consists of!!

***********************EDIT***********...

Ah Ha...I am confused no more ;-)...a Paint with lack of markings can be registered in the regular registry.....for less $$...and still have the benefits of the association just too bad the horse turned out solid. They are called Solid Paint-Bred horses.  I see now why it is important in breeding to find those studs that have the"dominant" gene or be hymozygenous (something like that) where they throw patterns or colors for a specific color or color/pattern breed horse.....By George..I think I've got it!!

Answer 10

Paint is a breed.  The color patterns within the Paint breed are Tobiano and Overo.  A Pinto may refer to an unregistered Paint, but it also describes the coat color black and white.

Answer 11

You've had lots of good answers, so I won't waste your time and repeat everything.

In summary - Paint is a breed and not just a registry because it only accepts horses of specific ancestory.  To have a registered Paint you must have either both parents registered Paints, or one a registered Paint and the other a registered AQHA or Thoroughbred.  Any foals from this breeding are registered Paints, whether they have enough white to be pinto colored, or not.

Palomino (and Pinto, for that matter) are not registries but associations because they accept horses of multiple different bloodlines as long as they meet the color specifications.  You can have Arab palominos, Saddlebreds, AQHA, Paint, etc.  Color associations such as these are obviously not registries as the horses come from very varied bloodlines.  In Pinto your horse does not even have to have two registered parents, all you require is one parent to be registered in a light horse breed, and then enough white to qualify.

The line between AQHA and APHA are a bit confusing now.  To be in the "regular" Paint registry all you need is 2 inches of white in certain areas, so there are many Paints out there in the regular registry that don't look that different from Quarter horses.  And the Solid Paint breds don't have enough white to qualify for the regular registry - the only disadvantage of this is - you can't show at the breed level in the same classes as the colored horses, and therefore the solid horses sell for less money.  Now that AQHA has lifted its color requirements, there are purebred, registered Quarter horses out there with tons and tons of white who look exactly like a Paint.

Are you more confused than ever now?

Answer 12

PHA is not a breed registry as the AQHA and APHA. It is like IBHA(international buckskin horse assoc). It is strictly for color purpose only. It was formed to keep the color and the blood lines that produce these colors alive and still reproducing. It was made for the breeders to be informed on bloodlines, upcoming stallions, and over all informing the public on the history behind the color.

AQHA and APHA are breed oriented. It is strictly bloodlines and color has no effect on the registry. There are new rules in AQHA that if a paint horse has ONE quarter horse parent that they can be registered with both AQHA and APHA.

Here are the links so you can research more.

http://www.ibha.net

http://www.palominohorseassoc.com

EDIT: LOL hudson. yes many people get confused when they see a solid colored horse, call it a Quarter horse only to find it's registered as a Breeding Stock Paint. With the registries these days they can get so simple that it's actually complicated.

Answer 13

I still get confused by peoples different answer i tend to go with my own flow lol but iits a breed but can be referred to the colour of a pinto :)

Answer 14

paint is a type of horse i think, their are colours bay, black etc. breeds Arab, TB etc. and types which the horse has to have certain height, bloodlines, colour and conformation to be registered for, and example is paint (i think), Appaloosa, POA (pony of Americas), knabstrup, palomino, hack, hunter etc.

hope this helped their are lots of different markings and colours classed as paint their is tobiano, overo etc. and where the colours are concerned piebald is black and white and skewbald is any other colour and white.

Answer 15

The Paint is actually a breed.

They look like Pintos but Pintos themselves are a color, not a breed. But some Paints are known to have the Overo pattern or the Tovero pattern and such.