Playing oesd's OOP in heads up games?

Question

Okay say you are on the bb. Button/sb raises to 6. You call on the bb with 8sTs. Flop comes out 7c9cKh. You check, your oppenent bets 10 into 12. Lets say effective stacks are exactly 100bb, and your oppenent is loose, agressive player that is good at hand reading.

Whats your best line? If you say c/r, how do you respond to a 3-bet?

If you say call, what happens if you hit on the turn? Do you c/r the turn, or bet into him? Either way, it seems very easy to read.

Answer 1

I was all set to answer this question, but then in the additional info section, I saw that you've already responded to my answer ...

which I haven't given yet ...

so I wondered, am I only answering because you've responded...?

If I don't answer, will you still have already responded ....?

or will your response be unmade by the unanswer being reanswered....?

Then my head started to hurt.

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Once my head stopped hurting, I folded the hand.

It's only a draw, and not even a very good one, and it seems to me it's a small-win, big-loss hand.

Answer 2

If this guy is loose and aggressive as you say, then I would assume he will bet every time I check.  So I would call his raise on the flop, and hope I hit my card on the turn.  If I hit my card, I will check and then CALL his raise.  On fifth street, I will check raise him.  If my card does not come on 4th street; then I'll probably fold if I'm not getting pot odds from my opponents bet.

Answer 3

Call.  If you hit, let him do the betting for you.  If you miss, the board pairs, or a 3rd club hits, you can get away from it.

Answer 4

I don't mind a fold here at all.

1) As you said, oop.  Heads up is all about playing in position, and the spot you find yourself in is evidence for this.  How do you proceed with these hands?  It's not easy

2) Your outs aren't as good as you think they are.  First of all, only 6 outs are really good for the straight, because 2 of them put the 3rd flush card on the board.  Even if that doesn't give it to him, he could redraw on the river.

3) On top of that, say you hit your perfect card, Jh

Okay, well now you still don't have the nut straight, that goes to QT, so you might hit your miracle, and then lose everything in front of you.

4) You don't have to play every draw you get.  A lot of people go way too far with their draws way too often.  Heads up, draws are not as profitable as you may think.  Draws are best for large multiway pots, where somebody is likely to have a hand you can extract extra value from.  Most likely if you hit your straight, you can now bet big and simply take down the pot exactly as you would have if you'd bet the same holding 23.

For your other questions.

If I check-raise the flop and he 3bets, well now I have to take a look at the odds.  He's telling me he has a hand he thinks is best now.  That means he's not drawing (hopefully) so my outs are probably live.  Sadly, can probably really only count them as about 6.5-7 total outs so making the hand about 13-14% of the time on the next card where he's likely firing again.

So I'll do some numbers and see where I stand.

If I call and hit my card on the turn, I'm checking because I'm hoping he has a real hand (he has to for us to get paid) and if that's true, then he should protect his hand from the flush draw.  When he leads here, I'm check-raising him hoping to get stacks in.

Answer 5

the vast majority of the time with an ordinary draw like this, the best play is to just call, except when you are against a real nutcase who has just been pounding on you mercilessly, then you may want to consider taking a stand and making a play on the pot, but otherwise i would recommend calling...the reason is something that you state in the question, if you make the raise you risk being re-raised off the draw, and now you've cost yourself more money while not being able to see the next card...by just calling, you guarantee yourself one more card, and also give yourself the chance to check to him if you miss and maybe he will give you a free river card

if you hit your card on the turn, the situation gets very tricky, and there are two totally different schools of thought here since we are against an aggressive player, and the better of the two is really different for every player...my preferred line here is to check, and hope that my aggressive opponent will continue at the hand, because then i've at least guaranteed myself making more money, and also because oftentimes i will have him drawing dead here, and by checking i give a possible free card opportunity for him to improve his hand...the alternative line is to bet right into this aggressive player with the hope that he will raise, but i really don't like this because there are very few players who would c-bet the flop and then raise a turn bet with absolute air...personally, since we are also against a good, observant player here, i would play the hand as if i had missed a flush draw; if i had been getting aggressive with my draws i would bet right into him and hope he makes a loose call or tries to bluff me, and if i had been playing passively i would check it to him and try to get him to bite...since i usually play my drawing hands pretty passively oop, i will check the made straight to him the vast majority of the time, but again this can vary from situation to situation

edit: sorry, i thought i had made it clear, i'm definitely c/r the turn...and if he checks it back, i lead every river card, but am more weary against resistance if the river fills the flush...but anyway, i just don't like playing ordinary draws for a lot of money, i think it's better to just take a shot at making your hand there and maybe winning some more money in the process...by c/r here, you will win the pot often, but you will also lose more money than necessary when you lose the hand, and often won't be able to see another card at all to even know if you would have hit it