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God has made us in His Image. the perfect Image capable of anything of desire. that is a known fact. however, it took Him seven days to make the world. and humans came on the sixth. this is a religious fact for most monotheistic religions. my question is, do you believe it is still the 6th day? here's my reasoning:

recent discoveries have led to show that humans may have actually evolved. a well known theory, evolutionism explains things scientifically. it says that the earth goes through ice ages, then warmer flourishing ages. the flourishing ages help species repopulate. soon the earth is nearly overpopulated.

then an ice age comes along. they are harsh, and only the strongest of species can go through the two thousand years of starvation. during these testing years, animals have evolved to stay alive. humans got smarter.

then the process would repeat. the ice age would tear apart everything but the strongest and smartest of humans. then after the ice age, the strongest and smartest would flourish, and populate the world. then get tested again. then the best would flourish.

is it possible now, since humans are still being adjusted into an Image so perfect, it is capable of anything desired, that maybe God isn't done making the human race in His own Image of perfectness?

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  1. first reread the creation story...god clearly says come let us make man in OUR image. nobody can conclusively say who was there with god. he doesnt say when he made angels. and if he did then that means angels are equal with god which means he isnt the highest being .

    if you cant understand the own story of creation because its contradictory to all rationality then dont base assumptions on it in anyform.

    evolution includes that humans first ancestors were bacteria that processed different gases and released different gases which was formed from the changing climates do to cataclismic events such as ice ages etc.the bible or any religious doctrine advocates anything like this.


  2. Sorry, but I fail to see what the controversy is here.

    The author of the question is clearly not interested in understanding all things on the basis of empirical facts and parsimonious, testable ideas (i.e. science) and is entitled to approach reality in whatever way he chooses.  What could be the purpose of challenging his assertions with arguments based on a practice and a scholarly discipline he obviously dismisses out-of-hand?

    If the point of the question was to suggest that anybody who contradicts your opinion is offensive... please go ahead and block me now so I am not tempted to do so in the future.

    Science vs. Creationism usually  = people talking past one another.

    And re: the last question:  Yes, anything is possible.

  3. i completely agree. it says he created us in his image, but it never said he was done.  OR we could of been in his image before, but we changed. it's so interesting to think about :D

  4. I showed in another question that the 6 day in creation story is only part of the formula. Look the creation story, it is 31 verses, 30 plus one opening statement. 30 days in a month. There are 6 day lines and 24 other, 24 hours of the day. Divide 24 by 2 and you have the 12 months of the year. Looking at it one way then 24 hours divided by 6 days equal 4? billion. If you divide a small amount of mass (atom) then you get a very large amount of energy. Same with time, divide a small amount of time and you get a large amount as an answer. An atomic explosion of time. Einstein had help.    

  5. Tehabwa is right dude, you are trying to mix facts with faith and the two are not compatible, so give it up.

    It is not a fact that any god created anything, and honestly the Idea is backwards, some people created the concept of god.

    This isn't suppose to be offensive to religion so sorry if it sounds like it.

  6. Whoa! it is not a known fact that god made us in his image. It is the belief of some people. I believe we are still evolving, but are we improving?

  7. My theory is:

    He made all the stuff, but I'm talking bacteria, the rest is bogus.

    Then it evolved on it's own.

    And they still call me Catholic...

  8. Ok, where to start.  1st the premise is a bit askew on a few fronts. I'll address two; The scripture reference, and Evolutionary time-frames taken as scientific.

    The scripture reference is thus (and shows little difference between 3 of the most relied upon versions I checked, KJV, NASB, and NIV): Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.  

    Image taken from the Hebrew most likely means likeness or resemblance (see link below).  In 30 years of theological study, I've not heard of the 'capable of anything of desire'. Not sure where that came from, and as you can see by the scripture, it's not there.

    Furthermore, not all scientists, trained in the same schools as each other agree with each other about evolution.  I have spoken at length with one such Dr. of climatology who has shown that the polar icecaps are merely five thousand years old.  His assumption is that the delineations between layers are storms, not years (the 'commonly accepted' model).  Five thousand years corresponds quite well to the timing in the Bible with the Great Flood ... oh, did I mention that the oldest Redwood trees are the same age?  

    Anyway, there is plenty of reason to not buy into the commonly accepted model as fact since it's open to interpretation as I've just shown.  

    As for humans being adjusted ... yeah.  We're adaptable to the environment.  That's how God created us.  What has yet to be shown conclusively (without circumstantial evidence) is that we've evolved from any form other than a human form.

    No, Lucid Hunter, you have not insulted me or my sense of religion.  Evolution is not as unimpeachable as many would have us believe.  I do believe in the six days of creation.  And yet I also understand that it's possible that God formed all things using a form of evolution in which He was the driving force.  I do take the Bible literally ... yet my faith is secure enough to be able to see truth in science and be able to reconcile the two.  But my faith is not in science for I have seen my electronics and mechanical things (based on more sound scientific principles than evolution) die all too often.  And yet I understand science enough to be an outstanding technician.  

    What offends me is when those who believe in evolution try to imply that because I don't have enough faith to believe in evolution(ism <- sorry tehabwa, I couldn't resist ;) ) principles that are not sound that my faith in the God of the Bible has blinded me.  Frankly ... I think it's the other way around because I believe that God (not man) created science.  We are simply bumping around trying to discover the laws which He created.  Biology is a great science.  I'm fascinated by it.  But our efforts at trying to figure out how random changes in enzymes and proteins formed such complex beings amuses me to no end.  Especially since it's assumed that everything is purely a chemical process and product of environmental changes and nothing more.  Sorry.  I just don't have enough faith to believe in it ... unless there was a beneficent creator behind it, driving it.  Without a driving force, would chemistry (even millions of years of it under the incredible chance of just the right environmental impacts) create the wonder of sentience?

    But then I guess that's why I don't play the lottery either (and the chances of winning the lottery are better than life being the product of environmental happenstance).

  9. Uh, no. What's a known fact is that we evolved from earlier species.

    We clearly are not "perfect" in any sense.

    We did NOT come into being in seven days, but only after the Earth had been around more than 4 billion years.

    The theory to which you refer is called evolution, not evolutionism. Yes, it explains things through evidence and reason, rather than myth and wishful thinking.

    No, yhou've got the relation of ice ages and evolution wrong.

    No, it's not the "strongest" of species.

    It's mostly not been ice ages that "tear everything apart" in the sense of being the cause of the few periods of mass extinction Earth has experienced.

    There is no evidence of any god or other supernatural being.

  10. Who says a god "day" is the same as a human day.

    and anyone saying that what has been written in a book and rewritten and rewritten and rewritten over such a long time is fact is lunacy  

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