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Question

In reference to my l;ast question,all of you told that we can fight in self defence,

2:190 AND fight in God’s cause against those WHO WAGE WAR AGAINST you, but do not commit aggression-for, verily, God does not love aggressors

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"You found some verses that say it’s ok to fight in self defense. Note that it’s from chapter 2, which was the first one revealed after the flight to Medina. So the verses from chapter 9, by Mohammed’s own rule, would abrogate those earlier verses. “But do not commit aggression” from chapter 2 suddenly doesn’t hold up very well against “slay the idolaters wheresoever you find them”, which does not have a geographic or time limit.

Here’s another one from chapter 2 that actually says God likes people who go out and kill for him:

Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not. (2:216)

Fighting is REQUIRED. And it’s a GOOD thing. There’s no amount of apologetics that can explain that one away.

Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness. (25:52)

And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allah or rejects the Truth when it reaches him? Is there not a home in h**l for those who reject Faith? And those who strive in Our (cause), - We will certainly guide them to our Paths: For verily Allah is with those who do right. (29:68-69)

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya [poll tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29)

O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who who are near to you, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him. (9:123)

You’re saying that chapter 9 and all those jihad verses were only for those people at that time. Doesn’t that mean that the entire book was only for those people at that time?

Applying only certain parts of the book to yourself is not an option either.

2:85: Do you then believe a part of the book and reject another part

Can you answer this argument????????????

Answer 1

Lets agree that many verses are quoted out of reference and that distorts the true meaning.

However that is never the problem. The biggest problem is that Muslims  conveniently use these verses  as and when it suits them. It is an old trick and the world does not buy it anymore. The world rightly looks at what Muslims DO and not at what is in the Quran.

Answer 2

watch this video.. you're just taking some verses out of context just like the guy in the video who will say "the Quran permits an eye for an eye"

just watch and i hope it will help you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygy_aKVtw...

Answer 3

I had a debate with a Christian on similar subject,

Visit my website and click on the link "Debate With Christian"

Answer 4

The verses in the Quran do not apply to back then only, but for all times to come. If someone is fighting a war against Islam, then we should fight back. But don't start attacking people only because they are non-Muslim.  

Answer 5

Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not. (2:216)

> Most people don't like fighting, but sometimes it's the only way to end agression. Maybe you're so peaceful you won't do anything to harm those that harm you. But this is even more harmful in the longrun. Peaceful religions like Buddhism and Jainism allow them to be walked all over by other people. Do you want other conquerers walking all over you, putting you in humiliation and fear without fighting back? Afghanistan was a Buddhist country- how many Buddhists do you see there now? Jainism was huge in India, but it was easily taken over by northern conquerers- the first masjid in Delhi was built on top of a Jain temple area. This is because they run rather than fight. Also, 'peaceful' religions like Buddhism and Jainism allow their followers to kill others in self-defence too. Their self-defence rules are more strict because they can't attack at all, they can only defend (Islam allows pre-emptive attack as a form of self-defence), but even Buddhists and Jains can be 'violent' to protect themselves. But unlike Muslims, they're unwilling to end oppression; only Islam will be a policeman for the world.

Answer 6

As long as you will continue to look at the verses in ISOLATION, you will continue to face this problem.

Take each of the verse and study the verses BEFORE and LATER to it.

For example, the Chapter no. 9, is one chapter which is a series of instructions and responses TO the people (disbelievers) WHO violated the peace treatise with the Muslims. It also discusses people who had to consequently strive against such disbelievers, but who chose NOT to (because they were hypocrites).

In the same manner if you look at the verses in Ch. no. 2, you will find that it is for the people who persecuted the Muslims and DENIED them the right to Pilgrimage.

In other places you will find that the fighting the disbelievers is to fight against aggression e.g. Why should you not fight the disbelievers in the way of God, when they oppress the weak, the women and children.

So the apparent tone may sound to be inclined towards some sort of warmongering. But in actual it is meant ONLY against the aggressors OR the ones who violate the peace treatise.

@Edit:

Remember one thing, THERE is NO such thing as ABROGATION and Contradiction.

Answer 7

Ok, you asks question like atheists!

but qur'an is not only the book for that time,  this was the time when Nabi(swt) made an agreement with Mushrikeens, they both promised not to fight each other, but the Mushirkeen broke their agreement, So these verses came to Nabi Mubrak that kill the idolaters wheresoever you find them! keep reading the verses after this you will get the answer to your question!

you can apply this verse at anytime, when some is try to kills you, you have to depend your self,    

here most Ramadan users are with less knowledge, So you need to ask ullama's about it!!

i suggest Watch Dr, Zakir Naik video he answered this question many time!

Answer 8

Verses in the Quran do not abrogate one another. They usually explain different aspects of a problem or some are merely implementations of an instruction in successive stages or some explain a rule in different circumstances. Most of the verses you have quoted apply on a battlefield. That does not mean that they are applicable in normal life. Only when you are being attacked are you allowed to do those things. I think an explanation given by Dr. Zakir Naik might help here. Following is an excerpt from answers given by him that address some of the questions you have.

A few selected verses from the Qur’an are often misquoted to perpetuate the myth that Islam promotes violence, and exhorts its followers to kill those outside the pale of Islam.

1.    Verse from Surah Taubah

The following verse from Surah Taubah is very often quoted by critics of Islam, to show that Islam promotes violence, bloodshed and brutality:

"Kill the mushriqeen (pagans, polytheists, kuffar) where ever you find them."

[Al-Qur’an 9:5]

2.    Context of verse is during battlefield

Critics of Islam actually quote this verse out of context. In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriqs (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriqs of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriqs of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. Verse 5 of Surah Taubah says:

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-forgiving, Most merciful."

[Al-Qur’an 9:5]

This verse is quoted during a battle.

3.    Example of war between America and Vietnam

We know that America was once at war with Vietnam. Suppose the President of America or the General of the American Army told the American soldiers during the war: "Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them". Today if I say that the American President said, "Wherever you find Vietnamese, kill them" without giving the context, I will make him sound like a butcher. But if I quote him in context, that he said it during a war, it will sound very logical, as he was trying to boost the morale of the American soldiers during the war.

4.     Verse 9:5 quoted to boost morale of Muslims during battle

Similarly in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 the Qur’an says, "Kill the Mushriqs where ever you find them", during a battle to boost the morale of the Muslim soldiers. What the Qur’an is telling Muslim soldiers is, don’t be afraid during battle; wherever you find the enemies kill them.

5.    Shourie jumps from verse 5 to verse 7

Arun Shourie is one of the staunchest critics of Islam in India. He quotes the same verse, Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 in his book ‘The World of Fatwahs’, on page 572. After quoting verse 5 he jumps to verse 7 of Surah Taubah. Any sensible person will realise that he has skipped verse 6.

6.    Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer

Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer to the allegation that Islam promotes violence, brutality and bloodshed. It says:

"If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum,grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge."

[Al-Qur’an 9:6]

The Qur’an not only says that a Mushriq seeking asylum during the battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place. In the present international scenario, even a kind, peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace. But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don’t just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security?

This is exactly what Allah (swt) says in the Glorious Qur’an to promote peace in the world.

Answer 9

Dear Sister ...learn more about Islam... stop asking stupid questons like Allah explains us in Chapter 2...... about the history of Cow....

Answer 10

It means fight Nimmy.

Answer 11

You rae really helping enemies of islam.... by asking foolish questions