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Plr-22 vs 9mm,45,380 an up?

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i know all of these cal.s are alot more powerful but if a intruder is in your house an you are emptying 30 rounds of 22.cal long rifle hollow points at them the normal human instinct is to run not shoot an when intruder turn to run his back is a big open target i really think its not the size of the bullet that count but the number thats why the gov use auto guns

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  1. Forget about the 22.* Your best choice in a self-defense handgun is the 357 Magnum.* It is a no nonsense man stopper.* Use 125 grain jacketed hollow points for ammo.* You can also shoot 38 caliber ammo in a 357 Magnum.* You get two (2*) handguns for the price of one.*


  2. The reason the government uses .223/5.56 is not to shoot the enemy more times,  it's because the troops can carry more ammo into battle and spend less time needing to be constantly resupplied the other reason is that .223/5.56 rounds travel farther down range and are more accurate than the enemy rounds that are being fired back (7.62 x 39).  Now, America being the litigious society that it is, if  the criminals family were to find out that their family member (although they were committing a crime at the time) was shot over a dozen times including several times in the back.  Would turn around and sue you in civil court for excessive force.  Believe me I have seen it happen before.  Their lawyer would argue that once shot the victim who in reality was breaking into your house was not afforded the opportunity to surrender over to the police was callously gunned down by you with no remorse.  It would end up on all the news channels.  So take my word for it, 1-2 shots from a high caliber pistol round preferably a .45 or a shotgun will stop any would be burglar or home invader.

  3. get a glock 17 with a 33round mag.

  4. The problem with your theory is in a close quarters situation.. I SERIOUSLY doubt someone will be able to empty 30 rds before the other person shoots back or gets in too close to shoot.

    This is why you use as big of a caliber as you can comfortably shoot and practice with it a lot.

    Shot placement is important,but if the bullet your firing isn't large enough to penetrate deep enough to stop your attacker..Well good luck.

    A .22 may deter someone after getting shot once..but Thats an odd I wouldn't want to risk my life on.

    As I'm sure many here will tell you. Rim fire rounds aren't exactly as reliable as center fire cartridges.

    And..a .22LR also happens to be grossly underpowered for self defense from other 2 legged creatures.

    Another point..If your intruder is running away and you shoot him in the back. You are going to jail.

  5. Devante,

    I know that when danger is at hand, the instinct is to empty the magazine.  However it is generally not legally or socially acceptable to shoot a person more than is necessary to stop an attack.  Furthermore, emptying your gun in the direction of one intruder leaves you facing additional intruders with an empty gun.

    Furthermore, if you shoot a fleeing intruder, expect to be indicted for Second Degree Murder or Voluntary Manslaughter, at best.  When an intruder turns to flee, if nothing else, he takes your right to use lethal force with him.  If he is fleeing, even if he has your jewelry box, or your cash box under his arm, you do not have a right to shoot him.

    Only if an intruder is putting you in what a reasonable person would consider "Fear for your life and safety" are you legally justified in using lethal force.  When the attack ends, and the intruder is attempting to leave your home, your right to use lethal force ends.  Shooting a fleeing felon gets cops in trouble every year.  It will certainly get a homeowner in more trouble than he can handle.

    From your question, I will assume that you are a firearms novice.  I suggest you purchase either a .22 LR manually repeating rifle (pump-, lever- or bolt-action) or a .22 LR revolver to learn the skills needed to safely handle a firearm and to learn marksmanship.  Then, after you've learned to hit what you aim at, and to safely handle a firearm, you should purchase a medium framed revolver chambered in .38 SPL or .357 Magnum.

    Most gunfights are over in two or three shots.  It is far better to use a weapon of sufficient power to end the fight on your terms than to spray 30 rounds about indiscriminately, praying for a incapacitating hit.  As the saying goes, you can't miss fast enough or often enough to win a gunfight or a shooting match.

    Doc

  6. Of course a .22 is better than no gun at all but when you are looking at defensive weapons the idea is to terminate hostilities as rapidly as possible.  I know of a case where a woman emptied a Browning P-35 Hi Power pistol at an intruder who had literally kicked her front door down (not in but literally down hinges & all!).  He was high on different types of drugs and stood something like 5-10 or 5-11 and weighed 250 lbs.  The Browning pistol was loaded with 124 grain quality defensive ammo.  The intruder sustained a dozen hits (including one that went in over an eye).  The intruder retreated the way he came in and was found by the police a block and a half away where he finally dropped.  The intruder was armed with a large knife and neighbors stated they heard him repeatedly threaten to cut the woman's f-head off!

    You see, the problem with sub-calibers (like the .22 LR & .25 acp) is that they do kill.  But when faced with a determined aggressor a sub-caliber may not terminate hostilities rapidly enough to preclude the coroner from having to declaring two (or more) bodies dead, rather than just one.

    Another case I am aware of occured during the Sixties.  A large intoxicated man armed with a sword threatened to cut a police officer's f-head off.  The swordman sustained a single point-blank hit from the officer's .45 automatic.  Witnesses stated that the man with the sword just froze when the officer shot him, then collapsed a full ten seconds later.  The swordsman lived only to die in the ER years later after being stabbed a single time in the gut.  Does this mean that a knife is a better weapon than a .45 acp?  I don't think so!  

    In all fairness I must add another old case I am aware of where the meanest man (in town) was killed by a little old grandmother armed with a .25 Automatic.  A single-shot from granny's .25 terminated all hostilities instantly and for the bad guy, permenantly.  So you see, even a sub-caliber weapon is better than no weapon at all.

    H

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