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Poker Hand right move?

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Playing a 300 buy-in cash game at B&M casino. I've got pocket 2's in the BB. 4 limpers to the flop (blinds are $3 - $5). My stack is $550.

Flop comes 4h 3h 2d

I bet $15, 1 call behind, TAG player raises to $40. Everybody else folds to me.

What should i do? (think first my move is next)

I reraise to $140 (I wanted to see if he had a set, straight, or straight/flush draw), the caller reraises all-in ($325 total), the raiser reraises all in ($425 total). I insta-fold.

The fold is easy, but was the reraise to $140 the right move? or should I wait and see?

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  1. i think 50/50. you made the right move in defining your hand early, but you did have a bunch of outs vs a straight. i think you would have lost less and increased your chances of winning by calling instead of raising. lets say you just called, then checked the turn. he would have maybe bet $100 or so, if you called again, you could have limited your losses to under 150 and saw all 5 cards.


  2. I think it's one of those situations where you were screwed either way.

    I thought about this for a while, and I don't know the correct answer.

    I see the merit in the re-raise to gain information, and to discourage a drawing hand.  I understand about the element of aggression and pushing the opponent to reveal information.

    But I also see the merit in taking a cheap card.  If the board pairs, you are in fairly good shape (although you could end up with the sucker boat if you are not careful).  And there is always the case deuce for the dream hand.

    This is one of those interesting situations, and I'm not certain there is a perfect answer.

  3. I think the reraise was a good move.  you had to see where you were at.  With 2 reraises behind you, you had to guess one of them had the straight and your trip 2's were dead.  So I think you played it right.

  4. Epsnalls is correct. Some guy with 127 points is right and the top contributors are wrong ? WTF? Well basically yes..

    I can see why you raised to 140. You want information. That is the only advantage.

    Unfortunatly there are many disadvantages. But lets look at what your hand looks like first and what the TAG's hand looks like..

    You are first to act and you bet 15 into 25 into FOUR PLAYERS. Your hand is at least 55+, combo draws (straight flush draw, gutshot flush draw, pair+ flush draw), and straights. This is a pretty strong range. Now YOU GET SQUEEZED BY A TIGHT PLAYER. Ummm, im kinda scared now. He has at least a really good draw, a set, or a straight, some times a slowplayed big pair.. Thats it. Are you going to fold any of these hands that you beat when you raise? Can you get any value from these hands that are worse? The answer is no to the first question.. The answer to the second question is maybe. If he has an oesfd chances are he isnt folding because he has very good equity against your range of hands. Unforutunatly, he has a set and a straight more often that a crazy good draw. If you can conclude he has these 4 types of hands you either

    1. call

    2. fold.

    There is no need to raise for info because you already know what he has.

    Anyway other disadvantages and overview:

    1. Your stack sizes. When you reraise to 140 you are getting really good odds to call to draw to your boat.

    2. Almost all worse hands fold (except for one combo)

    3. All better hands call

    4. The caller is in the hand still and its 3-way making your equity drop even lower. If you just cal the 40 dollar raise, you can see how the caller responds and evaluate.

    5. You are over repping your hand when you reraise. Your hand isnt all that good when you look at the board.

    6. The TAG is almost never bluffing in this spot so why would you raise someone that isnt bluffing?

  5. The re-raise was correct but you should not have folded!.

    Your calling off $285 to win a $915 pot.

    You need 3 to 1 to make this call

    Your odds of improving to a full house are around 2 to 1.

    You getting very good pot odds to make this call despite almost certainly being behind

  6. I almost disagree with everyone.  Someone re-raised you on that flop, you should just call and see the next card and see what he does, or fold( I wouldn't do that, but better than re-raising).  Re-raising is a waste of time and/or money in that situation unless you have the nuts, because that guy is not going anywhere.  It is better to see what he does on the turn. Like someone else said, you could hit the boat and you are all good.  

    Reading a player is also a part of it too, but without knowledge of weekness, you have to assume he is holding that straight.  If you was chasing a flush or straight, he wouldn't probably re-raise unless he has a habit of doing it.  

    So to answer your question, I don't think your move was the right move, but if you like it, next time just double his bet so you don't lose as much if he comes over the top again.
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