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Pro choicers say that if abortion is made illegal women will still have abortions...?

by Guest61957  |  earlier

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Is this viewpoint compatible with making an action that is currently illegal legal since people will do it anyway? Take drugs or prostitution. Since people will do both regardless of them being illegal, should they become legal?

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  1. LOL!! Oh dear.

    Ahhh, if it's illegal, women will die from backyard abortions.

    But making it legal, will stop that from happening.

    It's really not very difficult. Perhaps you're thinking too hard?


  2. It is a question of ethics Ryan.  It is about a government that represents the people that endorses an immoral act becomes immoral with all of it's constituents, if the government makes it a law it is no longer the choice of an individual it is the choice of a nation and everyone in this nation becomes guilty of this act.  This is how empires fall throughout history Ryan they lose themselves in what is ethical/not ethical and become dispassionate, despondent, and indifferent to others' God given rights, that are self evident, that all people are created equal, and have equal rights including unborn people.  For all we know in all of these abortions, there was a cure for cancer, a solution for our economy, a cure for AIDS, a way to feed the poor, a way to get everyone a job that sustains their families, a great pastor, a great speaker, someone who accomplishes world peace and harmony.  Maybe all of these people have been aborted and the World is less for it, maybe just a small soul for someone who can not have children of their own and is missing that little someone to love, I know the one who aborted him/her always look back with regret, how can we endorse anything that hurts all parties involved.

  3. yes they should. people will do what they want regardless of law, so victimless crimes like drugs and prostitution should be legal. the government shouldn't interfere with personal choice. as far as abortion, i would much rather see a girl get a legal one than have some creep shove a hanger up her cooter...or worse, drink and do drugs to try and force a miscarriage, which i've seen even though it is currently legal.

  4. Possibly yes...I mean if you could walk into a chemist to buy a hit of crack then it loses the "glamour" or the illicit excitement that attracts many people in the first place.

  5. I think they should, provided that they are VERY heavily regulated. Not only will it cut drug- and prostitution-related crime, but the government can make some nice money off the ensuing taxes.

  6. No, this is not a logical argument, unless the person in question intends to be intellectually honest and admit that it implies that all things ought to be made legal on the basis that those laws too will be broken.

  7. Well to be honest.

    We dont know when women started having abortions....we know what the Egyptians and romans used to have them

    There are many herbs available at your friendlily neighborhood drug store, that will cause a miscarriage or an abortion.  Heck celery will even do the trick if you eat enough of it.

    Women have always gotten rid of unwanted pregnancies...roe vs wade didnt invent abortions they made them safer....so legal or not a desperate women will do what she feels she needs to do.


  8. Taking drugs and prostitution are exactly the same whether legal or not legal. But illegal abortions would take place in back street abortionists which are dangerous, nbot by proper medical practioners.  

  9. Drugs and prostitution should both be legal.

    Why the state chooses to interfere in things people will do, have always done and which the banning of creates huge black markets and criminal activity is beyond me.

    When abortion was illegal, doctors paid off police who paid off politicians.

    The people who wanted abortion to stay illegal were not only the honest people who didn't like abortion, they were very oftena nd very vocally the dishonest rogues who made a dirty living off the misery of others.

    Not every agrees with abortion, but not everyone disagrees, and the dividing line is up to the individual, not someone else with a viewpoint others don't share.

    Cheers :-)

  10. I am all for it. Make them all legal but controlled. Northern and western european countries have the lowest STD and s*x related offense.

  11. In my perspective, drugs and prostitution should become legal. The violence that runs through drug and prostitution rings would be largely erased if the government regulated them and subjected them to the same rules as any other commodity. In the absence of clear set laws to govern drug and prostitution rings, violence is usually the only clear method of punishment.

    That Pro Choice argument is compatible with your example. However, that is simply one argument for choice amongst many.

  12. I personally feel drugs and prostitution should be legal, so yes. Nevada legalized prostitution and you're less likely to catch an STD if you use a prostitute there, because it is regulated.

    As to drugs, I don't really care if someone wants to be a junkie and destroy their life. I have very little sympathy for fools. People are concerned that someone might drive around high on weed... but alcohol kills more people every year than any other substance, yet it's legal.  

  13. Personally, I think drugs and prostitution should be legal, since I regard them as matters of personal choice in which the state has no business interfering.

    Whether or not abortion falls into this category depends on whether or not you believe abortion to be the murder of an unborn life, or something that a woman is entitled to do to her own body.

    It is a situation where I feel there is unlikely ever to be a resolution, unless some scientific method is developed whereby a foetus can be removed from the womb and reared artificially, or possibly transplanted into the womb of a barren woman who wants a child.  This, it seems to me, would be a satisfactory solution to the problem.

  14. Yes. -- Or you can group some of your money together and start paying for these abandoned non-aborted kids yourselves instead of blowing my ear off with your repeated nonsense.

  15. Whilst you are using a circular argument and over extrapolating from a question, I will try to answer logically.

    First up: It really depends on what you are referring as "illegal", for instance: if abortions for medical reasons is legal then there will be a rise in medical reasons being used for abortions.

    Secondly: strongly depends on the data: illicit drugs are illicit because their benefits are seen as being overshadowed by their disadvantages. Prostitution also has major problems associated with it such as STI and STD transmission, mental issues, informed consent, human trafficking, drug use, and many other factors.

    Abortions on the other hand are largely an ethical problem with only a small increase to a woman's chance at becoming infertile Vs a virtual guarantee of becoming a mother.

    They're not really in the same league.

  16. People will do what they want to whether its legal or not. Alcohol is legal but in some states its  not sold on certain days so people buy it from bootleggers despite that law of not selling it on certain days. Who knows if they make all of that stuff legal. It could slow down both or speed them up  

  17. What about rape? that's illegal, but people still do it. so shouldn't it become legal to? I don't think comparing abortion to drugs and prostitution is a very valid compatible viewpoint. Sorry, but its like comparing apples and oranges. Nice try though. Made me think. I do however agree that drugs and prostitution should be legal. Prohibition was designed to decrease the consumption and crime rate. Only problem is it did exactly the opposite. Since it has proven to utterly fail, I think we need an entirely different approach to this war on drugs and prostitution.  

  18. Yes > drugs and prostitution should both be legal.

  19. You're missing the point.

    Legalized abortions means safer abortions.

    Illegal abortions don't reduce the instance of abortions - they just get more risky because they're done in back alleys instead of clinics.

    More women die in the illegal abortions.  It makes no difference to the numbers, just the death toll.

  20. Abortion has existed since the dawn of time.  How do you think gatherer-hunter tribes were able to keep their numbers down to around 40 persons so as not to outstrip resources and so to put the lives of the entire clan in jeopardy?  The answer is abortion and infanticide.

    We can do without the infanticide so lets keep abortion an option, a  SAFE and legal medical procedure between a woman and her physician.  If you don't approve of abortion then don't have one. That's YOUR choice but it  doesn't give you the right to interfere with the choice others may make. So butt out and mind your own business.

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